Hyper-V stops Windows booting (AMD 200GE + A320 chipset)

[Rouxenator]

Here is a weird one.

I tried installing Hyper-V on Windows 10 Pro running on my Asus PRIME A320M-K with a AMD Athlon 200GE processor. Windows is unable to boot.

I tried a clean install, another HDD (was booting from M.2 NVME). No luck. Meanwhile Hyper-V works fine on my B350 Ryzen 5 and a tiny Celeron J1800 PC.

Is this a know issue with the A320 / 200GE?

 

[Lupus]

Does the 200GE support Hyper V?

 

[Johnatan56]

Does the 200GE support Hyper V?

Athlon 200GE - AMD - WikiChip

Athlon 200GE is a 64-bit dual-core low-end performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in late 2018. This processor is based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture and is fabricated on a 14 nm process. The 200GE operates at a base frequency of 3.2 GHz with a TDP of 35 W. This MPU supports...

en.wikichip.org

Yes.

EDIT: Should be called SVM mode.

 

[Lupus]

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Athlon 200GE - AMD - WikiChip

Athlon 200GE is a 64-bit dual-core low-end performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in late 2018. This processor is based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture and is fabricated on a 14 nm process. The 200GE operates at a base frequency of 3.2 GHz with a TDP of 35 W. This MPU supports...

en.wikichip.org

Yes.

EDIT: Should be called SVM mode.

Ah okay probably why I couldn't find it

 

[Messugga]

Here is a weird one.

I tried installing Hyper-V on Windows 10 Pro running on my Asus PRIME A320M-K with a AMD Athlon 200GE processor. Windows is unable to boot.

I tried a clean install, another HDD (was booting from M.2 NVME). No luck. Meanwhile Hyper-V works fine on my B350 Ryzen 5 and a tiny Celeron J1800 PC.

Is this a know issue with the A320 / 200GE?

Assume virtualization is enabled in the BIOS?

 

[Rouxenator]

Yes it is enabled in the BIOS along side IOMMU.

I have the 200GE and Ryzen 5 settings the same.

Disabling auto start in Safe Mode with : bcdedit /set {current} hypervisorlaunchtype off

Allows Windows to boot but when I try to start any VM it says the service is unable to start.

 

[rustypup]

I had a weird one yesterday. Couldn't get virtual box to work. I had to go to windows features and turn both hypervisor and 'virtual machine support' (something like that) off. Then virtual box could do its thing.

This isn't weird... vbox and hyper-v can't live together.

Enabling device/credential guard on Win10 will present similar issue as these are packaged in hyper-v

 

[Messugga]

I had a weird one yesterday. Couldn't get virtual box to work. I had to go to windows features and turn both hypervisor and 'virtual machine support' (something like that) off. Then virtual box could do its thing.

That's because Windows 10's hypervisor is a greedy type 1 motherfucker. Virtualbox won't work while Hyper-V is enabled. This was a massive pain in the ass the first time I set up Kubernetes on my machine...

 

[Johnatan56]

I had a weird one yesterday. Couldn't get virtual box to work. I had to go to windows features and turn both hypervisor and 'virtual machine support' (something like that) off. Then virtual box could do its thing.

What are you using virtualbox for? If Docker, don't need it, if you need a VM, use Hyper-V manager:

 

[Johnatan56]

That piece of abomination?
No thank you. It's a stuff up of note. Way too tightly integrated with the OS. It WILL break your networking if you let it.

It's fine if you're running a dedicated virtual environment but when you need to experiment and move the pieces it's buggy.

Google Search

www.google.com

Thanks for all the posts from 2013-2017, so all pre Windows Server 2016 about and it's definitely not something where MS has been standing still: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...tion/hyper-v/what-s-new-in-hyper-v-on-windows

Networking specific got quite an overhaul: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/networking/what-s-new-in-networking

(And yes, all those changes would be in the newer W10 builds)

It's also not like Hyper-V is probably the most used software for VM, and if I specifically google for something failing, I'll probably get results.

 

[access]

It WILL break your networking if you let it.

if someone doesnt know what theyre doing, sure

 

[Johnatan56]

Click tools -> time and specify any period you wish.

So we're going to compare Hyper-V, the second biggest virtualization software (behind vSphere) to Virtualbox in the number of complaints?

Business Adoption of Server Virtualization Solutions by Company Size

Among businesses currently using or considering server virtualization

The 2020 State of Virtualization Technology - Marketing

From VMs to VSANs and VLANs to VDI, Spiceworks examines current and future adoption plans of the various types of virtualization used by businesses.

www.spiceworks.com

Yep, Oracle's Virtualbox is totally comparable.

Would you also like me to drop a virtualbox network issues google link? Here: https://www.google.com/search?channel=trow2&client=firefox-b-d&q=virtualbox+network+issues

Such a dumb comparison.


Anyways, for anyone actually working with virtual machines, go Hyper-V if you can as it's a level 1 virtual machine, so you skip the host operating system layer.
Only if you're running W10 Home should you consider Virtualbox as a first choice contender, unless you run into issues of course.

 

[rustypup]

Completely OT but...

virtual box is all I need or want

Agree it's about requirement and it's got some cool APIs and automation bits, not forgetting the awesome snap-shotting toolset, but Hyper-V still wins everywhere it matters in enterprise and the host migration under load is fracking awesome. Seriously. That's some impressive voodoo right there...

Shunting a 4tb/600GB RAM SQL twixt hosts whilst dropping one, lonely, little packet and no SQL impact? GTFOH with that noise...

/for reference: 18+ hosts in Teraco and a stupid number of cloud deployments.

 

[Rouxenator]

Strangely enough, installing VirtualBox on the same PC works like a charm.

Anyways, I'm moving things off this box and selling it.

 

[Rickster]

For AMD its called AMD-V in the bios.

 

[Rouxenator]

As can be seen here, it is enabled and working in VirtualBox.

 

[Rickster]

As can be seen here, it is enabled and working in VirtualBox.

Nice, I do prefer VMware though.

 

[silver6933]

but Hyper-V still wins everywhere it matters in enterprise and the host migration under load is fracking awesome.

Really and how often do you need to patch and update the underlying OS?

 

[Rouxenator]

I shifted that VM over to my Ryzen 5 on Hyper-V. Might move the VHD to a physical SSD in my machine.

Today I also say GigaByte is releasing the new AGESA for the B350, so in due time I will upgrade to a Ryzen 7 APU and if IU still have the A320 with the 200GE I'll upgrade it to my current APU and see if that solves it. It is either the A320 or 200GE with the problem here.