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Hi forum.

I have been watching a collection of Derren Brown videos and alot of his work involves showmanship and hypnotism.
I am very sceptical how someone can honestly just put you into a trance like state by just touching you or saying a few words. I am just interested if anyone here has been to a Hypnosis show or possibly even been hypnotised before?

I don't write his work off and by now you would have expected a stooge to have come forward and admitted he was involved etc. Anyways if you have not seen any of his work be sure to watch his vids on youtube just for entertainment value alone.
 
I wanted to start a thread about this a few weeks back.

I had a friend who used to be hypnotised and it looked real enough but it still seems setup or rigged. It's like watching a seance or someone investigating ghosts etc, it seems to be staged and there is no way for the lay man to disprove it as real or fake.

Derren Brown is good at what he does.
 
waynegohl said:
I wanted to start a thread about this a few weeks back.

I had a friend who used to be hypnotised and it looked real enough but it still seems setup or rigged. It's like watching a seance or someone investigating ghosts etc, it seems to be staged and there is no way for the lay man to disprove it as real or fake.

Derren Brown is good at what he does.
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He is TOO good. I mean some of his shows and live tv events have blown my mind.
I really want someone to hypnotise me someday and I will make sure friends record it or something. I guess that is the only real true way of knowing if it it's real or not. I mean one episode he hypnotised a guy across the room by leading him with body movements and matching his gestures. He then yawns and bang the guy gets sleepy.

And in the series Trick of The Mind, he makes himself 'invisible' infront of this guy. Now the kid who got hypnotised is a film student (actor??) . We should maybe just take it as entertainment , who knows. Here is that clip though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPZH07THejo
 
gonna try watch the clip now but it might take my last mbs as I think we should have been capped by now. (I will bookmark it).

If you are called out during a show of his and he says cluck like a chicken are you gonna sit there and show him the finger and make him look bad or are you gonna cluck like a chicken and have your 15mins of fame? Do you need hypnosis to be famous in this case?
 
Depends on what you understand by a hypnotic state. Why could hypnosis not be an altered conscious state much like a trance or a dream? Sure these things are hard to quantify and measure, but can consciousness itself really be scientifically defined?
 
I have a fear of driving a car and if Bruno or Derren Brown tells me I have no fear and I can drive like a taxi driver, and I can, then that will make me a believer for sure.
 
waynegohl said:
gonna try watch the clip now but it might take my last mbs as I think we should have been capped by now. (I will bookmark it).

If you are called out during a show of his and he says cluck like a chicken are you gonna sit there and show him the finger and make him look bad or are you gonna cluck like a chicken and have your 15mins of fame? Do you need hypnosis to be famous in this case?
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I think hypnosis is far more subtle than this misconception. Perhaps read the wiki article on the father of clinical hypnosis - Milton Erickson. A very interesting character. A lot of his distraction techniques are visible in Browns approach like the extended handshake. I don't profess to know much about this stuff but I do find it pretty interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson
 
I suspect it's a lot harder to hypnotize (if not impossible) to hypnotize a sceptic, than a credulous person.
 
copacetic said:
I suspect it's a lot harder to hypnotize (if not impossible) to hypnotize a sceptic, than a credulous person.
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Yeah, I read up on hypnotisim a couple of years ago. Your "victim" has to be completely willing. Any doubt, and it won't work.
 
I've been to a show a few years back, Andrew Newton (Paul McKenna's mentor), when he was in SA. Don't know if anyone still remembers him, but anyways. Yes, the victim has to be COMPLETELY cooperative and willing, he takes about 20-30 people from the audience, explains to them they need to want to be hypnotised, and then starts his whole process.. even then it doesn't work on most of the people, although they are willing. About 6 people are actually hypnotised in the end, and if he suggests something that's too far out, their subconscious snaps them out of it. It's actually quite interesting to see that part (people actually getting hypnotised) , since it was never shown on the TV show.

It doesn't make people do things they couldn't do before, for example if he tells someone to speak Japanese, and the person doesn't actually know the language, he/she just talks gibberish that sounds like the language in question. It's subconscious suggestions, which people go along with. For example he gave one guy an onion and told him it would be the most delicious apple he's ever had. It's very interesting to see the power of suggestion, and quite entertaining but there's clearly nothing supernatural going on and copacetic and Sysem are quite correct, it's impossible to hypnotise someone against their will.
 
Pooky said:
Derren Brown is a Wizard. A real one.
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I really enjoy derren brown's stuff.. I love how he tries to explain how certain things are done and completely disproves psychic mediums. Im sure some things he does are a bit of nonsense but he really makes your mind turn. I have no doubt that the majority of the things he does are true and it shows just how suseptible we all are to simple suggestions and subliminal messages. He makes your realize how complex and powerful our minds really are, from seeing things to thinkings things, we can all be manipulated.

As for hypnosis, i think its real. It would be rather ironic if derren brown, a man who sets out to disprove psychic rubbish, was doing it himself.. I really think tho that it only works on very very few of the people he attempts to hypnotize, but theyre the only ones that make it on the show.
 
If it only works on people who are completely cooperative then I guess everyone at a live show must be cooperative and willing because it seems to work on everyone picked.
 
waynegohl said:
I have a fear of driving a car and if Bruno or Derren Brown tells me I have no fear and I can drive like a taxi driver, and I can, then that will make me a believer for sure.
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I also have this fear, always thought I was the only one. Tried driving once and drove into a wall, never again Thank uyou lol.
 
waynegohl said:
If it only works on people who are completely cooperative then I guess everyone at a live show must be cooperative and willing because it seems to work on everyone picked.
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Good point. I guess people who go to his shows are generally already open to the concept. Derren is a master of reading people from visual and conversational cues as well, so there's a chance that he may have put out a few probes before selecting his candidates. His pick up lines video with the three girls demonstrates this.
 
I must admit to being completely fascinated by both Hypnosis and NLP. And despite this fascination, I remain skeptical. In all my years, I only ever met one person who was hypnotised at one of these shows. And questioning them results in answers like "I don't know" and "I think so".

I am generally ready to accept that, firstly, the "artist" weeds out the skeptics like me before even attempting his craft and, secondly, those that are used in the show are not stooges. And this causes the conflict with my natural skepticism.

Pessimists are far more likely to be pleasantly surprised while optimists set themselves up for disappointment. Similarly, skeptics are truly fascinated by the inexplicable while believers merely saw it coming. Not saying that hypnosis is inexplicable, but at the very least its unreliable format does challenge my expectation of science.
 
GreGorGy said:
I must admit to being completely fascinated by both Hypnosis and NLP. And despite this fascination, I remain skeptical.
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You need a willing subject. You also cannot make people do things that they generally would not do.

Funny thing people think hypnosis means you are 'under' or not aware etc. The complete opposite is true, your senses are actually more alert and you are fully aware of your environment.

If you seek proof of some sort I suggest you look at Hypno-anesthesia. There are dentists & surgeons that use it for people that are allergic to or don't tolerate normal anesthetics. You could easily do a local on the skin of your hand and push a nail through the flash without feeling a thing.

NLP is alos very interesting.
 
would people normally eat onions thinking they apples or cluck and act like chickens?
 
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