Hyundai wins SA COTY

Well deserved.

Pitty that there are still plebs who think they fall apart in a year and would buy a way more overpriced, underspecced VW.
 
Brawler said:
Well deserved.

Pitty that there are still plebs who think they fall apart in a year and would buy a way more overpriced, underspecced VW.
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I've no doubt modern Hyundais are well worth a look, but I'd still hazard that your average 2012 Golf will look better in 10 years' time than your average 2012 Elantra. Be that as it may, I personally view the Elantra as almost comically over-styled; the Cerato is a much more handsome car. It wasn't in the running of course, but it's where my money would go were I forced to choose between the two.
 
HapticSimian said:
I've no doubt modern Hyundais are well worth a look, but I'd still hazard that your average 2012 Golf will look better in 10 years' time than your average 2012 Elantra. Be that as it may, I personally view the Elantra as almost comically over-styled; the Cerato is a much more handsome car. It wasn't in the running of course, but it's where my money would go were I forced to choose between the two.
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It does have very weird proportions. The upcoming i30 looks more balanced. DS4 definitely won the beauty contest this year.
 
HapticSimian said:
I've no doubt modern Hyundais are well worth a look, but I'd still hazard that your average 2012 Golf will look better in 10 years' time than your average 2012 Elantra. Be that as it may, I personally view the Elantra as almost comically over-styled; the Cerato is a much more handsome car. It wasn't in the running of course, but it's where my money would go were I forced to choose between the two.
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Not so sure about that, mother had a 1996 Elantra and it looked just as good as any other 8 year old car with over 200 000KM on the clock (had it from new). Funny enough her Golf before that had massive overheating issues, had to carry 2l coke bottle of water in the boot ;) Anyway - those are cars from a completely different time and can't compare to today's standards.

I agree about the styling, thats why I bought the Cerato :)
 
Coming soon: Elantra Coup.

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Quantum Theory said:
I'll go further OT... You drive a Citroen, right? How is the service from your dealer? Any issues with parts etc?
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Mate, we haven't really had it long enough for me to be able to comment. It's only been into the shop once since we bought, and that was just to have the exhaust clamp just off the turbo realigned - damn thing was blowing the whole front of the engine full of soot. :mad:

I will say that the single experience I had was fair, plus the dealer had free WiFi going. :D We went in with eyes wide open though; I know it was a bit of a risky purchase but I'm happy knowing the mechanicals are well sorted (being shared with the Fiesta/Focus TDCI among others) and that as a rule I don't go around breaking ****. What I can report is that, through many years of driving all manner of things as company cars, I've never enjoyed living with a car more. It's not fast, but it's a happy car. :D

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To add: We'll likely be buying a second car at some point this year. That will probably also be a Citroen, unless the Picasso implodes in the interim.
 
HapticSimian said:
Mate, we haven't really had it long enough for me to be able to comment. It's only been into the shop once since we bought, and that was just to have the exhaust clamp just off the turbo realigned - damn thing was blowing the whole front of the engine full of soot. :mad:

I will say that the single experience I had was fair, plus the dealer had free WiFi going. :D We went in with eyes wide open though; I know it was a bit of a risky purchase but I'm happy knowing the mechanicals are well sorted (being shared with the Fiesta/Focus TDCI among others) and that as a rule I don't go around breaking ****. What I can report is that, through many years of driving all manner of things as company cars, I've never enjoyed living with a car more. It's not fast, but it's a happy car. :D
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Sounds good. Thanks. I'm 99.9% sure I'm getting a C4 soon :)
 
Both excellent cars. Completely blows the competition out of the water.

I hate it when people bring up the, how will it look in 5 years. I see plenty of old Hyundai's on the road. Regardless, if you ask that question, how will it look in 5 years, then that means you plan to keep it for 5-10 years.

I don't keep cars outside the motor plan as I cannot afford to have a car break down and not have it fixed immediately. So to me saying it'll look bad in 5-10 years is completely pointless.

I wouldn't buy a 5 year old car now, no matter the brand. A new i20 beats any 5 year old car in the same price segment so there is no point bringing that argument up IMHO.

Rather buy value and upgrade every 5 years (when the Hyundai or Kia motor plans ends) than buy more expensive and keep it way past its expiry date.

That said, both have excellent interior quality, better engines than many of the bigger brands in SA (they constantly rebadge old engines they can't sell in Europe then pawn them off here). Euro NCap ratings are excellent for the class. Extras up the wazoo.

Why are people complaining?
 
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Gnome said:
Both excellent cars. Completely blows the competition out of the water.

I hate it when people bring up the, how will it look in 5 years. I see plenty of old Hyundai's on the road. Regardless, if you ask that question, how will it look in 5 years, then that means you plan to keep it for 5-10 years.

I don't keep cars outside the motor plan as I cannot afford to have a car break down and not have it fixed immediately. So to me saying it'll look bad in 5-10 years is completely pointless.

I wouldn't buy a 5 year old car now, no matter the brand. A new i20 beats any 5 year old car in the same price segment so there is no point bringing that argument up IMHO.

Rather buy value and upgrade every 5 years (when the Hyundai or Kia motor plans ends) than buy more expensive and keep it way past its expiry date.
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There's nothing wrong with your approach, but what one needs from a car can't always be satisfied by buying new, due to budgetary constraints if nothing else. To continue down the path of why we bought what we did, our three-year old Picasso cost us the same as a new Polo Vivo - R120k. Instead of an econobox, I have a spacious family car, with a 5-star EuroNCAP rating, with everything that opens and shuts - both in terms of safety and convenience - down to automatic headlights and wipers. There is *nothing* we could've bought new (or nearly new) that could compete.

Furthermore, saying that a given car will outlast another is also a statement on quality and workmanship as they stand today - some cars are simply better engineered and better stuck together from better materials than others. Those gaps are shrinking to be sure, but they're still observable to the impartial.
 
Just got one of these ladies last week.

Great value for the price, but the Koreans reckon because we live in the bush, we don't need GPS.

It comes with pretty basic accessories and no options.

The identical car cost R80K less in the USA and then it is fully tricked-out.

http://youtu.be/Jbm_RtutVaY
 
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Roadrunner said:
Just got one of these ladies last week.

Great value for the price, but the Koreans reckon because we live in the bush, we don't need GPS.

It comes with pretty basic accessories and no options.

The identical car cost R80K less in the USA and then it is fully tricked-out.

http://youtu.be/Jbm_RtutVaY
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I was also surprised that they didn't add cruise control for SA models.
 
HapticSimian said:
There's nothing wrong with your approach, but what one needs from a car can't always be satisfied by buying new, due to budgetary constraints if nothing else. To continue down the path of why we bought what we did, our three-year old Picasso cost us the same as a new Polo Vivo - R120k. Instead of an econobox, I have a spacious family car, with a 5-star EuroNCAP rating, with everything that opens and shuts - both in terms of safety and convenience - down to automatic headlights and wipers. There is *nothing* we could've bought new (or nearly new) that could compete.
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http://www.vw.co.za/en/models/polo_vivo_sedan/prices_and_options.html

Use that and spec me a car with the same extras as the most expensive Picanto. In fact, spec me a Vivo 1.4 with the same features as a Hyundai Accent. You have to pretty much select ALL the Vivo features. I just did it myself and the equivalent Vivo 1.4 works out to R146 598. For R10k extra (small change when you buy a car that will last you 5 years). Not to mention the Hyundai comes with a longer warranty and far more features even compared to the most "advanced" Vivo.
If you had to take the 1.6 (apples to apples) then the Vivo costs R164 028 for the bog standard Vivo 1.6 (not even "Trendline" which I wager has less features than the Accent).

http://www.hyundai.co.za/index.cfm?event=Accent

Who in their right mind would choose a Vivo over an Accent. Not even close in terms of quality forget features.

Picanto is better than a Vivo any day. I've driven a new Picanto and the Vivo doesn't even electric Windows front & rear, Aircon is an extra, ABS is an extra. Service plan is an extra. Sh#tty warranty. It's disgraceful.

HapticSimian said:
Furthermore, saying that a given car will outlast another is also a statement on quality and workmanship as they stand today - some cars are simply better engineered and better stuck together from better materials than others. Those gaps are shrinking to be sure, but they're still observable to the impartial.
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VW owners all claim their cars have better workmanship but if you listen to the radio (702) and read what other people on the internet say whom have moved from VW -> Korean they all say there isn't a difference.

Naturally you fall in the VW camp.
 
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