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Try connect in passive mode if it works then it is most likely ur firewall. If it doesn't then try the address with the ports in it. If that doesn't work go watch starwars episode III it rocks.
Is everyone having conneciton problems because the hub is like uber empty? If it stays this quiet I am gonna can it, what a waste of time if noone can connect!
Is everyone having conneciton problems because the hub is like uber empty? If it stays this quiet I am gonna can it, what a waste of time if noone can connect!
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jjtoymachine
Senior Member
I get in, then everyone connects to me and downloads my stuff...then i cant connect to anyone as my connections timeoutNab said:
I am having other problems accessing certain pages. so it must be a common probelm. When its fixed ill be back
LoneGunman
Expert Member
The Mindset of Running an Fserve or Offering Data To Others
Bear in mind that its not always about what you can immediately 'get' - sometimes its a case of join a hub with some stuff, and then leave it alone and do other things, and let folks get from you.
DC++ is a mixture of immediate gratification as well as simply being charitable and providing something for others. The use of torrents as a method has made people a little unused to this 'give and take' approach that's still widespread amongst those who run Fserves on IRC for instance.
Sometimes there's something in the immediate area that you want, other times, there isnt - so then you just leave your Serve going and do other stuff - thus letting people browse or take whatever they want, without you stressing about it.
Whereas the torrent user mindset is 'give me something NOW - and if I cant find something to download from anyone right here immediately, I'll leave'.
Its fine to have that approach, but it's not really productive in the context of providing goodies for others.
When I'm on local anything, I know that there's absolutely nothing that I can get from anyone that's of any interest to me at all. So what? Do I disappear from local because of this? Nope, I run the serve, and leave it alone and look elsewhere for what I'm into. It doesn't cost me anything to do this, and others benefit from this approach.
Sometimes there's an immediate reward for offering goodies, other times its just the satisfaction and good karma of offering something for nothing.
I've noticed local users generally aren't used to this approach, as we've all been brutalised by the expensive b/w costs - but generally overseas, amongst users who've got the b/w and time, and have been on long enough to learn - this is the right kind've approach to have, that helps everyone. So you get leeched off.
Great. Its not a negative - it means 'others are benefitting from your generosity.' And that's kind've cool.
Offer what you can, and if there's nothing there that you want, bummer, leave things running and go look elsewhere. 'Getting stuff' isnt the only reason for being online, sometimes 'giving stuff' is just as rewarding. What's it cost you - if you're perm online? A few KB of data going to others. That's positive energy you're putting out.
One needs to use a different mindset for online, compared to the real world of capitalist-consumerist-grabbing of everything in sight.
In real life you may not want to give anything to others at all, that's fine - but online, its kinda cool to be able to have the generosity of spirit to say 'here's what I've got, grab whatever you fancy, I dont mind - and maybe when you've grabbed everything you want - who knows, maybe you'll adopt the same approach to others online, and duplicate this attitude and spread it.'
Doesn't matter if folks leech or not, because it costs you nothing to give things away, and its a good learning experience to get some satisfaction online, from letting others take what they want from you - as opposed to the real-world grubby philosophy of 'taking from others'.
(Just some thoughts as a longtime Fserver - started back in around 93/94)
Bear in mind that its not always about what you can immediately 'get' - sometimes its a case of join a hub with some stuff, and then leave it alone and do other things, and let folks get from you.
DC++ is a mixture of immediate gratification as well as simply being charitable and providing something for others. The use of torrents as a method has made people a little unused to this 'give and take' approach that's still widespread amongst those who run Fserves on IRC for instance.
Sometimes there's something in the immediate area that you want, other times, there isnt - so then you just leave your Serve going and do other stuff - thus letting people browse or take whatever they want, without you stressing about it.
Whereas the torrent user mindset is 'give me something NOW - and if I cant find something to download from anyone right here immediately, I'll leave'.
Its fine to have that approach, but it's not really productive in the context of providing goodies for others.
When I'm on local anything, I know that there's absolutely nothing that I can get from anyone that's of any interest to me at all. So what? Do I disappear from local because of this? Nope, I run the serve, and leave it alone and look elsewhere for what I'm into. It doesn't cost me anything to do this, and others benefit from this approach.
Sometimes there's an immediate reward for offering goodies, other times its just the satisfaction and good karma of offering something for nothing.
I've noticed local users generally aren't used to this approach, as we've all been brutalised by the expensive b/w costs - but generally overseas, amongst users who've got the b/w and time, and have been on long enough to learn - this is the right kind've approach to have, that helps everyone. So you get leeched off.
Great. Its not a negative - it means 'others are benefitting from your generosity.' And that's kind've cool.
Offer what you can, and if there's nothing there that you want, bummer, leave things running and go look elsewhere. 'Getting stuff' isnt the only reason for being online, sometimes 'giving stuff' is just as rewarding. What's it cost you - if you're perm online? A few KB of data going to others. That's positive energy you're putting out.
One needs to use a different mindset for online, compared to the real world of capitalist-consumerist-grabbing of everything in sight.
In real life you may not want to give anything to others at all, that's fine - but online, its kinda cool to be able to have the generosity of spirit to say 'here's what I've got, grab whatever you fancy, I dont mind - and maybe when you've grabbed everything you want - who knows, maybe you'll adopt the same approach to others online, and duplicate this attitude and spread it.'
Doesn't matter if folks leech or not, because it costs you nothing to give things away, and its a good learning experience to get some satisfaction online, from letting others take what they want from you - as opposed to the real-world grubby philosophy of 'taking from others'.
(Just some thoughts as a longtime Fserver - started back in around 93/94)
yeah nice post lonegunman
I think torrent users are normal people who hunt down releases just like people who download from fserves or people on ftp, http other p2p etc, the difference with torrents is it has a tit for tat system so people get better speeds if they give at good speeds, its an almost perfect system because no one gets taken advantage of but then you have your seed who would be the equivalent of a person who runs an fserve. So everyone is forced into giving something but some people who are genorous (the few that always will be) they can give more on top of what's required just because they can.
These days 'the scene' is still limited access and only a few are in it but the files spread to XDCC, fserves, small unofficial ftp dumps, in certain cases http and of course p2p. I think most people who join a 'sharing' hub like this just want to download those scene releases (I still get like 20 PM's a week on this board with people asking me where to get some.scene.release.GROUPNAME) because they dont know where else to go. You'll find you're have a few pillairs holding that hub together by sharing and everyone else just wanting to grab what they want/can and then going back to thier normal internet activity because serving is a full time job and its also inconvenient when you want to do something else but someone is grabbing a big file and is half way on it and they cant get it anywhere else.
If a user is capped sharing is fine but once a user buys more bandwith the rules change because now they only have say 3Gb and they wanna use it to download as much as they can and upload as little as possible to make it worthwhile, thats why I think a credit system is ideal, on scene ftps the standard ratio for couriers is 1:3 so for every 1MB you upload you can download 3MB and if you're in a group or run a site (ie a contributor) then you get a leech slot so you dont have a ratio. (of course though couriers dont use thier own bandwith they fxp from other sites, so they use credits on Site A to gain credits on Site B)
People aren't going to magically get genorous, they might leave thier PC on and connected to a hub overnight when capped but thats about the best you can hope for.
I guess thats why I sort of think its better if you force people to contribute and if someone could find software or a system to work that out it'd be great, either by using a torrent type system or maybe a credit system, or even a closed community style ratio system.
That's why I think this community should be for those sharing type of users BUT if you're a little more selfish (and who isn't at times) contact me about a torrentflux install where you can leech scene stuff till you get locked up (and not have to upload a thing)
I think torrent users are normal people who hunt down releases just like people who download from fserves or people on ftp, http other p2p etc, the difference with torrents is it has a tit for tat system so people get better speeds if they give at good speeds, its an almost perfect system because no one gets taken advantage of but then you have your seed who would be the equivalent of a person who runs an fserve. So everyone is forced into giving something but some people who are genorous (the few that always will be) they can give more on top of what's required just because they can.
These days 'the scene' is still limited access and only a few are in it but the files spread to XDCC, fserves, small unofficial ftp dumps, in certain cases http and of course p2p. I think most people who join a 'sharing' hub like this just want to download those scene releases (I still get like 20 PM's a week on this board with people asking me where to get some.scene.release.GROUPNAME) because they dont know where else to go. You'll find you're have a few pillairs holding that hub together by sharing and everyone else just wanting to grab what they want/can and then going back to thier normal internet activity because serving is a full time job and its also inconvenient when you want to do something else but someone is grabbing a big file and is half way on it and they cant get it anywhere else.
If a user is capped sharing is fine but once a user buys more bandwith the rules change because now they only have say 3Gb and they wanna use it to download as much as they can and upload as little as possible to make it worthwhile, thats why I think a credit system is ideal, on scene ftps the standard ratio for couriers is 1:3 so for every 1MB you upload you can download 3MB and if you're in a group or run a site (ie a contributor) then you get a leech slot so you dont have a ratio. (of course though couriers dont use thier own bandwith they fxp from other sites, so they use credits on Site A to gain credits on Site B)
People aren't going to magically get genorous, they might leave thier PC on and connected to a hub overnight when capped but thats about the best you can hope for.
I guess thats why I sort of think its better if you force people to contribute and if someone could find software or a system to work that out it'd be great, either by using a torrent type system or maybe a credit system, or even a closed community style ratio system.
That's why I think this community should be for those sharing type of users BUT if you're a little more selfish (and who isn't at times) contact me about a torrentflux install where you can leech scene stuff till you get locked up (and not have to upload a thing)
rebel
Senior Member
smallville
Does anyone have episode 22 of smallville?
Does anyone have episode 22 of smallville?
LoneGunman
Expert Member
I agree, no discussion of pop, rock, hiphop, classical mp3's, audiobooks, TV shows, radio shows, pron, retro-gamez, asian and cult horror movies or anything else that might be copyrighted and/or available.
at the end of the day it will just hurt the hub anyway because myADSL can't be associated with that stuff so if the mods are forced to delete these topics there is no more hub seeing as this is pretty much the only place you can publicise hubs like this one.
Well, I'm almost finished downloading the latest CentOS distro ISOs, after which I'll be back on to share those. I stopped DC++ for the extra bandwidth. 2GB takes a while to get down at capped speeds... 
UnUnOctium
Expert Member
by the way just to inform you, iBurst tracker has not died it only has been abandoned which is the sad thing . it still can be found at http://uuo.zapto.org:444 . Everything is there including the usernames u ppl used etc. If ppl are prepared to participate(since I find that BitTorrent would be a better way to share files since not all iBurst <-> iBurst = fast) then I WILL put it up on a dedicated server and help breathe life into what was a nice community once plz, if you are interested visit #iburster_101 on carex.nixus.org. Dont expect to find much people there during working hours
it only has been abandoned which is the sad thing . it still can be found at http://uuo.zapto.org:444 . Everything is there including the usernames u ppl used etc. If ppl are prepared to participate(since I find that BitTorrent would be a better way to share files since not all iBurst <-> iBurst = fast) then I WILL put it up on a dedicated server and help breathe life into what was a nice community once plz, if you are interested visit #iburster_101 on carex.nixus.org. Dont expect to find much people there during working hours UnUnOctium
Expert Member
UnUnOctium said:
just to make sure u guyz get it, found it out after a few 'experiments'
should solve most of ur speed queries
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While trying to retrieve the URL: [url]http://uuo.zapto.org:444/[/url]
The following error was encountered:
* Access Denied.
Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.UnUnOctium
Expert Member
will do, but only when we get tracker active