iBurst vs. ADSL

i disagree noone i got an iburst installation done at one or my clients and everything run really fast apart from the fact they cant connect wrong username or something will sort out tomorrow morning

telkom said 2 months to install i got 4 pc's running off it and it runs like a dream dont know about download speed but web pages and internet banking very fast and it took me like 5 mins to install modem connected fast not 2 months
 
Obviously some people don't have the same problems that I am having :-)

I am not talking about being slow, I am talking about things don't work at all!!! And I am not talking only about P2P downloads, I am talking about things like chat, and applets that keep an open connection all the time! THEY DON'T WORK!!! They disconnect every 15-30 minutes (sometimes even more often)! This is not acceptable at all! And no, it is not my setup! I had iBurst in the begining working fine for whole 4 days, including downloads, chat, P2P etc.. And is not my machine either. I use modem this days because I can't use iBurst for WORK because it is unreliable, and with modem everything works like a magic! So I use iBurst for my free time browsing when I am not in a hurry and I don't care if I get to the page or not, and I am using my old modem when I have to do work!!! Because on a modem I can chat, I can use streaming and anything else that does not require fast speed! So iBurst DON'T work! At all!

I have been told by the infamous Shaun Green that my package is suppose to be for web browsing and few more things, if I want everything to work I should move to the 9GB package! So I am moving to the 30GB ADSL package as a consequence as I can't exactly see any good reason for keeping this bullsh*t and paying for it!

If iBurst wants everybody that wants to use their stupid product for anything more than web browsing to get their 9GB package, they should put big red text on their web site saying: IF YOU WANT ANYTHING MORE THAN WEB BROWSING, GET OUR OVERPRICED 9GB PACKAGE, SO WE CAN MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE DO ALREADY!
 
Sorry to hear that, sf1. Can't understand why you have that problem though. Obviously, neither can iBurst.

My MSN, Yahoo Messenger, Skype, and various other things are stable. Good luck with ADSL.
 
Well, let me add my voice to the side of iBurst here.

Recently I have been much happier. Uncapped this month I got 70-100kB/s through HTTP. Now that I am capped, I am getting 6-8kB/s, steady.

I am playing City of Heroes on a server in the USA, with no lag, even though I am capped ( something that ADSL cannot do ). Last week Wednesday I had some lag problems, but since then things have been smooth.

My only gripe at the moment is the non existant P2P. Torrents do not move at all and DC++ downloads at 500b/s. Although I am finding ways around that, it sucks that I have to go through this much trouble just to use my line the way I want to.

If wbs were to let up on the throttling and just keep the cap, I would be recomending it to everyone I know. As it is, I am still not convinced it is right for everyone. Either a normal modem or ADSL will work better. Personally, it is meeting all my needs though.

I'm on the normal 3GB package as well
 
Well, since eveyone is baring their souls.... I'm very happy with Iburst. Does everything I want and does it super-fast. I have 4 PC's sharing seemlessly on a home network.

I like the speed. I want the speed. When I want something, I want it now. The best ADSL can offer is 512kbps. And against that package my Iburst comes in way, way cheaper.

Apart from the speed wobble in the second/third week of April, the connection has been extremely stable, with no down time, and with maxed-out speeds.

But it's not for everyone. If you want to D/L 30Gb a month P2P there may be better/cheaper/slower options. Everyone has to take their own circumstances into account and decide what solution best suits their needs.

This is SA broadband, there is no cure-all out there. But it's encouraging to see more and more options coming to the market.
 
First of....there's nothing like downloading at 120kb/s +/- which I get when not capped. Secondly me and my g'friend can play world of warcraft even after being capped. There is the stability issue but I'm sure as time goes on it will get better. Also its great rocking up at a lan and pulling out your iburst :D

I must say the 10 or 30gb packages on ADSL does look attractive! Let's hope iburst wakes up and offer something similar :o
 
Well apparently the shapping works differently between the different towers ... probably users in some areas are allowed to use chat programs and in other areas are not. I bet WBS will not explain that! For me iBurst is complete nightmere, I was using dial-up modem until recently, and I have to say that the dial-up is by far supperior compared to iBurst. It is slow, but it works. You can calculate how long will take to download what you are downloading and come few hours later and you know it will be downloaded!

So I would not recommend iBurst to anyone ever (except maybe somebody that I hate)! There is MyWireless, which is crap as well (from what I have read) but I am sure it is better than iBurst. I know that the technology behind iBurst is excellent, but in the hands of company like WBS it is absolute crap. It is useless in any aspect that I can think of, and the limitations implemented are absolutely ridiculous! Probably this it the only ISP in the world that offers internet connection (well, they call it so) with usage limit, speed limit, protocols limits and number of connections limit all together into a single package ... which makes one very useless internet connection for anyone that wants to use it for anything more than web browsing!
 
P0tenc, on 3GB package you can enjoy your lovely 120 KB/s for about 7 hours per month assuming you don't upload (almost) anything. For the remaining 713 hours you will have dial-up like speed, but by far more unreliable :-) I know that this is not how it works in reality, but how many ISPs in the world do offer 1Mbit connection with 3GB monthly limit :-) It is soooo funny, it just does not make any sense!!!

Doesn't everybody feel sick of having to monitor their usage every day so they don't "allow" themselves to download too much too quick and then being stuck with 64 kbps until the next month or having to pay extra ... it is exactly like the dial-up, you try to minimize the times you dial and the time you stay connected to keep your bill down to earth ... well now we are back to the same thing. I don't know what the people do to get 4 PCs on single 3GB package and still have leftovers from their 3GB every month, but for me this just doesn't work ... if the limit is 30GB (or at least 20GB) I will have no problem, I can live with it, it will cover all my needs and I don't have to worry every time I click on the download button how this will affect my limit ... So the entire 3 gig scam is absolute bullsh*t, but iBurst makes it by far much worst with the rest of their arsenal of dirty tricks how to prevent people from using their bandwidth ...
 
no one likes a 3gb cap but you get what you pay for and untill someone else can offer 1mbit and a 30GB cap for R700, we just have to be content with it, pay for more bandwith... or move to slower services. Personally I won't go slower than 1mbit, I dont mind paying for more bandwith when I need it and 9Gb is much better than 3.
 
Unfortunately, because WBS is so secretive/non-committal, many of the "dirty tricks" supposedly committed by WBS are pure imagination and paranoia. But that's what you get in an information vacuum. If something doesn't work, blame WBS first, and find out the actual cause of the problem later.

My 4 PC's have only used 1GB in May. Probably because I or my family haven't downloaded any movies or ISO's this month... so far. Just emailing, surfing, gaming, banking, business, FTPing, shopping, chatting, posting etc as per usual.
 
Gatecrasher, if it is my immagination about the problems, how do you explain the fact that I can use my dial-up modem connections to do all the things that I need to do and I can't do because iBurst (WBS) have put enough restrictions and limitations to prevent me from doing them (and make my life more miserable).

Well I guess you are about to say, you are in a bad area! No! I am in the dark green area (show on the coverage maps) and I had whole 4 days (around mid-april) when everything was working perfectly 100% over iBurst, fast reliable, no problems whatsoever! Did they move the tower after that or what???

So I am bloody confident that all this **** I am getting is more or less intentionally done by WBS in their effort to prevent people from having normal internet experience. I don't think they intentionally did make chat programs to not work, but they put so much effort into making P2P to not work, so I would assume that in this effort they did something so their crappy packet shapping thinks that chat programs are P2P (in fact they are very much like P2P) or something like that so they don't work too.

Also I keep a log of the IP address changes, and it does change about 50 times a day for the last few weeks! Well obviously nothing will work if your IP changes every 30 minutes!
 
Hey Sword, are you in a dark green area on the coverage map? if so call Shaun Green (KING) and ask him about an antennae. The lights are apparently misleading cos I have had 5 led's for weeks but the second I was capped nothing worked. I got an antennae and immediately everything is working, it's something to do with throughput while the led's only indicate com with the base sations! Even capped I can multithread now at 20KiB easily
 
swordfish1 said:
Gatecrasher, if it is my immagination about the problems...
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You miss my point. I'm sure the problems themselves are not imaginary. There is no doubt that WBS is shaping traffic, but whenever something doesn't work it is blamed on the shaping; often that it is the cause, but often it is not.
 
I agree that ADSL is IN MOST CASES a better bet than iBurst. I got iBurst simply because I couldn't get ADSL.

With ADSL growing and with heavy advertising ... WBS just GOT TO drop their prices otherwise they will not get the economy of scale they want (?) OR maybe they want to stay small ... this doen't sound like a good business model though..
 
or keep the prices but offer more for your money... faster speeds or more GBs
 
killadoob said:
i disagree noone i got an iburst installation done at one or my clients and everything run really fast apart from the fact they cant connect wrong username or something will sort out tomorrow morning

telkom said 2 months to install i got 4 pc's running off it and it runs like a dream dont know about download speed but web pages and internet banking very fast and it took me like 5 mins to install modem connected fast not 2 months
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Pinging www.iburst.co.za

608ms average, 2485ms max, 46ms minimum, 67% packet loss

Now, with a 56k modem, I get 0% packet loss, and I can surf and download my mail FASTER than a "1 meg" connection from iburst.

The arguement is not of Telkom being unable to cope with the demands and not being able to install a service, or how quick you got it running, the arguement is STABILITY and most of all, RELIABILITY.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your viewpoint
 
i wish i had gotten adsl but i am stuck with iburst for 2 years... actually 1.6 years now :D I am going to make the activation fee count for everything. at work we have adsl and in terms of reliability and stability kicks the **** outta of iburst.

i dont have any problems with iburst but it seems everytime they do some kind of 'maintenance' it always happens on a friday and speeds get shot for about 4 days afterward. happened last month, this month and i bet it will happen next month.

it's latency is crap. worse then mywireless ever was and their service is the worst i think i have ever experienced in this country...

they seem to be using the same bursting mywireless have adapted and for a 1Mb connection very seldom get above 20Kb/s on single thread anything. for it to be effective you need to multithread which is kinda useless for some things.

sometimes speeds are amazing but to inconsistent at this stage to really call it 1Mb. unless you a p2p/internet kiddy iburst is useless for any other kind of real world development

i dont bother complaining on this forum because of all the heros here but thought it was appropriate to mention to anyone who might be using this thread to make a judgment call. take it from an iburst user. adsl is better!
 
(I do find that on those occasions when I'm using MIRC to grab something, I see pretty good speeds - so at least via auckland park tower jhb, that protocol appears more or less untouched.
Thing is everyone has their app of choice, and IRC downloading isnt really suitable for my needs.
That's the bottom line ultimately - is IBust delivering each persons specific internet needs without any fuss - or is it forcing customers to have to waste time on 'workarounds'. (Yeah the workarounds may be 'easy' - but who wants to bother making someone elses bad service 'work' - it should be there and simply accessible.

Saying 'workarounds' are easy, is like buying a TV that requires a manual tuning into the channel every time you want to watch a program - yeah its 'easy' but why bother - get a better TV set rather.)
 
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