IDS X64 Panel Problems (Charging Circuit)

[Rudolph Smuts]

Hey guys,

I was looking to upgrade my IDS X16 (X-Series) alarm panel to an IDS X64, as I was planning on adding more zones to my to system.

Looking around I found a secondhand X64 panel "good as new" on Facebook Marketplace.
Bought the panel, paid for shipping and it arrived.

Added my power supply and the Panel was completely dead with no signs of life.
Contacted the seller who decided to ignore me and "you are on your own BS"

So with nothing to lose, I fiddled with the Panel. I discovered life.

When connected only via a battery and "kick starting" the panel, it works. On the keypad is shows Battery Fault and AC Power Fault.
Even with AC connected, as soon as battery is disconnected, the panel dies.

Multimeter shows power from my transformer going in, but AC Power trouble stays.
The fuses are good, I swopped the siren fuse with battery fuse and the problem stayed the same. With battery fuse missing but AC connected, the Panel is still dead.
I think it is an AC Circuit or Battery Charging Circuit problem but I don't know how to fix it.

Anybody able to help or give advice.

It would be much appreciated!


Kind regards,
Rudolph

 

[soulie]

Hey guys,

I was looking to upgrade my IDS X16 (X-Series) alarm panel to an IDS X64, as I was planning on adding more zones to my to system.

Looking around I found a secondhand X64 panel "good as new" on Facebook Marketplace.
Bought the panel, paid for shipping and it arrived.

Added my power supply and the Panel was completely dead with no signs of life.
Contacted the seller who decided to ignore me and "you are on your own BS"

So with nothing to lose, I fiddled with the Panel. I discovered life.

When connected only via a battery and "kick starting" the panel, it works. On the keypad is shows Battery Fault and AC Power Fault.
Even with AC connected, as soon as battery is disconnected, the panel dies.

Multimeter shows power from my transformer going in, but AC Power trouble stays.
The fuses are good, I swopped the siren fuse with battery fuse and the problem stayed the same. With battery fuse missing but AC connected, the Panel is still dead.
I think it is an AC Circuit or Battery Charging Circuit problem but I don't know how to fix it.

Anybody able to help or give advice.

It would be much appreciated!


Kind regards,
Rudolph

Possibly the bridge rectifier or diode pack that gives you DC. Google pics of those and eyeball them on the board ,otherwise a Paki service phone guy may help.usually they fail from a surge ,also possible to have just had a bad rectifier .alternative just run it on battery with a cheap constant power charger you can get them in a box that also houses the battery and connect the board up from there.dont use a pulse charger like they sell at the China shops ,they are not suitable for an alarm system ,it must be a constant voltage ,constant current charger ,ideally over 2 amp capacity .

 

[Rudolph Smuts]

Possibly the bridge rectifier or diode pack that gives you DC. Google pics of those and eyeball them on the board ,otherwise a Paki service phone guy may help.usually they fail from a surge ,also possible to have just had a bad rectifier .alternative just run it on battery with a cheap constant power charger you can get them in a box that also houses the battery and connect the board up from there.dont use a pulse charger like they sell at the China shops ,they are not suitable for an alarm system ,it must be a constant voltage ,constant current charger ,ideally over 2 amp capacity .

@soulie , Your explanation does make sense to me. A solder point on the back of the board close to the 12V power input looked a little funny.

Thank you for the suggestion. I know exactly what type of battery backup/charger your are referring to.
That is a great solution to this problem.

Thanks for the advice. I found it really helpful.

 

[soulie]

@soulie , Your explanation does make sense to me. A solder point on the back of the board close to the 12V power input looked a little funny.

Thank you for the suggestion. I know exactly what type of battery backup/charger your are referring to.
That is a great solution to this problem.

Thanks for the advice. I found it really helpful.

You're alarm board shouldn't need AC to initialize like electric fences do ,but make sure before spending money on an external supply .also test all functions thoroughly to see if there isn't a fault further down the line before investing in other components .

 

[Rudolph Smuts]

You're alarm board shouldn't need AC to initialize like electric fences do ,but make sure before spending money on an external supply .also test all functions thoroughly to see if there isn't a fault further down the line before investing in other components .The price of getting this secondhand board to function is going to add up to the cost of a new X64 board if I need to buy an external battery backup.

The price of this board is going to add up to that of a new X64 Panel if I need to buy an external battery backup.
Even then I would not trust this board to not give me problems in the future.

It's unfortunate but I would rather get a new board then and have peace of mind knowing everything is working as intended.

Thank you for your excellent advice. It is really appreciated.