IFP Hits Back

In addition to this, users pay a R92,28 monthly line rental, and once-off costs for the modem and installation, which come to around R400.
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Come to around r400 each they should have said. Another case of parroted reporting.
 
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yea well, i have several tabs open and been reading everything, posted this last :D my bad
 
Smuts (DA) says Telkom’s 12 new packages in which either dial-up Internet, ISDN or ADSL are bundled with desktop computers, “may do more for broadband take-up in SA than years of promises by government to introduce e-services and bridge the digital divide”.

hmmmmm... comments anybody? I'm taking the fifth
 
bwana v.3 said:
Come to around r4000 each they should have said. Another case of parroted reporting.
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Once off installation cost for ADSL is R400 odd
ONce off installation cost for phone line ir R280 odd
Line rental R93*2
ADSL rental R477*2
ISP cost R350

Thats around R2170 just for the first month (they forget telkom double bills you the first month) and is excluding the modem....

That is well out of reach for most pockets...
 
Well I just received my reply from the DA and I am dissapointed.... no more votes for the DA from me...

From: Martin MS. Slabbert
Sent: 03 August 2005 03:56 PM
To: Martin MS. Slabbert
Subject: DA: SMUTS - TELKOM ICASA STAND-OFF ON ADSL

STATEMENT BY DENE SMUTS MP
DEMOCRATIC ALLIANCE SPOKESPERSON ON COMMUNICATIONS

Telkom – Icasa stand-off on ADSL

Release, immediate: Wednesday August 3, 2005

It is puzzling that the communications regulator ICASA has announced its intention to write regulations limiting Telkom to a once-off access charge for ADSL (Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Lines).

Its own Gazetted findings on the ADSL issue freely admit that it is only now analysing the costs to Telkom by inspecting this year's Charts of Accounts and Cost Allocation manual (COA/CAM). Reinforcing this admission, it points out that it can request costing information on Telkom's copper-based broadband offering, and intends to formulate broadband policy with the Department of Communications.

The Gazetted findings cannot be said to have grappled with the substance of the problems brought to Icasa by MYADSL and other consumers, and therefore lack the authority one would expect from a regulatory authority.

It seems a good idea in the circumstances for the Telkom leadership to hold talks with Icasa. A once-off installation fee would presumably have to be enormous to cover capital and operational expenditure – Icasa is surely not expecting Telkom to provide free broadband.

A large installation fee would stop fixed-line broadband roll-out in its tracks. Our broadband roll-out is modest as it is, at 100 000 subscribers for the fixed, as opposed to wireless, services

Telkom was slow in rolling out ADSL but, faced with competition, political and consumer pressure it has twice dropped broadband charges this year.

In addition its proposal to include subsidised computers with broadband contracts may do more for broadband take-up in SA than years of promises by government to introduce e-services and bridge the digital divide. Obviously this would come at a price over the period of the contract, but the success of cellphone handset subsidies in the early years of cellular service shows that such schemes can augment the take-up of new technologies.

Personal computer use in SA hover around 3 million. We simply have to do better to benefit from the communications revolution.
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The DA obviously does not have the technical knowledge to run a country or the foresight to see what a cheaper broadband can do for the countries economy.

It's a pity that they have so much support currently because I would dread the day that they end up as the majority party.

Sadly,
Gavin
 
rustic said:
Smuts (DA) says Telkom’s 12 new packages in which either dial-up Internet, ISDN or ADSL are bundled with desktop computers, “may do more for broadband take-up in SA than years of promises by government to introduce e-services and bridge the digital divide”.

hmmmmm... comments anybody? I'm taking the fifth
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I fail to see how dialup and isdn is considered broadband by anyone. The DA has always sided with the strongest player (which in this case is Telkom) and I won't be suprised that the reason why the DA is commenting about these things is because Telkom asked them to and fed them a bunch of media PR bullsh1t.

You see.... I think the IFP would get my vote next time around because they CARE about THE PEOPLE.

Government makes a whopping amount of money in the form of TAX and shares in Telkom, even if they just dropped the 40% share they would get in a decent amount of money to hold as many parties for aids costing 10 million rand.

Do anyone have direct communication with Nelson Mandela or know how to get in touch with him to feed him some info and let HIM speak? Because it seems that the only person anyone ever listen to is HIM and not our president or communications minister!
 
The DA will NEVER get a vote from me.

I'd rather vote IFP / ID / Pete the plank.

Why don't they get someone with a clue to look over the bs Telkom passes them rather than accepting their lies.

Yes, 20 senior people in Telkom are right and 5000 users of the service are all on crack.
 
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DA response

The situation has improved dramatically with the DA's statement. We all know that the ANC and the DP will never agree on anything in life, and the DA has just once again shown itself as the elitist party that cares nothing about the poor. So expect the ANC backing ICASA to the hilt. Thanx Dene!(How many shares do you have?)
 
I think Tony Leon has the shares and she's giving him lip service
 
rsd said:
The DA will NEVER get a vote from me.

I'd rather vote IFP / ID / Pete the plank.

Why don't they get someone with a clue to look over the bs Telkom passes them rather than accepting their lies.

Yes, 20 senior people in Telkom are right and 5000 users of the service are all on crack.
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I agree, DA will not be getting any votes from myself.
"Pete the plank" sounds pretty apealing.
 
Thats it .... the DA will definitely not get my vote .... IFP/any other party that supports this cause will definitely be getting my vote come next elections .... well done DA ... u just kissed about 5000 votes goodbye .... no wonder u r losing seats in parliament :) .. keep on making stupid statements like that .... and u will go the way of the NNP come next elections :)
 
Received that same statement in my mailbox this morning, and I must say that I too am very disappointed. Telkom is trying to bully ICASA into submission and they're siding with Telkom... wtf? I thought the DA would side with the regulator. Perhaps they didn't actually look at what was happening but released a statement just to not be outdone by the IFP.
 
TMoose said:
Received that same statement in my mailbox this morning, and I must say that I too am very disappointed. Telkom is trying to bully ICASA into submission and they're siding with Telkom... wtf? I thought the DA would side with the regulator. Perhaps they didn't actually look at what was happening but released a statement just to not be outdone by the IFP.
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I cant actually believe that I am agreeing with you. The DA response is in a word, farty. It is waffle with no substance, no direction, no purpose, no opinion. How very very disappointing from a party that seeks to become the new government. I agreee, it's lip service, something in the press that proves they noticed the furore, just barely, out the corner of one eye.
BLERGH. :mad:
 
They can take our IVY , they can even take our steve white!!

Ifp 4 teh_win , yup they have my vote :) the DA are clueless they are no doubt employed at melk-hom , they just wanted some publicity , if they had ANY idea what they are commenting on they would have gone with ICASA :confused: , instead they chose to side with telkom and thus trying to screw the public even more . Maybe Steve is also the PR person for the DA in his spare time .

I have to agree get hold of Mabida explain it all to him so that he is imformed of how this effects us all , HE could see how this will help everyone in South Africa , mbeki sure as hell cant !
 
Aherm.....

The DA tell me they are preparing a new position statement for release today or tomorrow.
 
Peapod said:
The DA tell me they are preparing a new position statement for release today or tomorrow.
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Bliksem, a flip-flop if I've ever seen one.

Just tell the idiots to think before they open their flaps in the future. :mad:
 
Well hopefully the DA changing position radically the next day will be more cause for media to pick up on this.

'Spose we'll have to wait and see what their new release says
 
whatever their new position ... I am not interested personally ... do not care for a party that comments without even understanding what they are talking about and only to change their minds later because they realised that they r gonna lose votes. It is good news for the fight though :) ... Lets hope we can get something out of the ANC soon .. cause that will pretty much be the government stance. Has anyone managed to get hold of the DOC/ivy ?? Would really like to hear what they have to say.
 
rsd said:
Well hopefully the DA changing position radically the next day will be more cause for media to pick up on this.
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Well the media (and the ANC)will prob only comment on it to show how quickly the policy of the DA changes.
:mad:

Dammit why do political party's always make an issue about themselves, do they realise what a bunch of fcukwit's they are?
 
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