I'm Puzzled With Isp's Prices

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:rolleyes: I am shopping around for prices on 10 GIG accounts and I cannot believe the difference between ISP’s prices.

Ranging from R349.00 to R700.00 ..

Why do we point fingers at Telkom only?

It seems to me that there are a few ISP’s that are trying to follow the rip off skills of Telkom.

Thank you OpenWeb and SAOL you two are trying to play this game with us (the subscribers), by making it affordable and maybe, even taking a knock on the price.

What are you saying? No knock?

Then like I said there are a few ISP’s that are following the rip off skills of Telkom. :eek:

R349.00 plus 60% is R558.40 average is R570.00 ... (on 10 GIG accounts)

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm ..... :D
 
Didnt SAOL say they are selling their 10GB accounts below cost, which is why it is at R349?

The rest of the ISP's are selling the same Telkom 10GB accounts at cost + X as opposed to cost - X
 
Correct Mad.

SAOL are paying exactly what was advertised before 1 November - the same as all the other ISP's - the difference is that we are trying to soften the blow for the consumer and take a smaller profit for ourselves - we believe the per gig pricing will inevitably drop in months to come and hope our clients will stay loyal to us in the future.

OpenWeb seem to be on a similair strategy while all the other ISP's seem to be making bigger profits.

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http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=32295&highlight=Saol
 
If you take a look at SAOL's pricing for 4 concurrent sessions on their 10GB accounts, you're looking at a price of R650. This is due to the fact that with 4 concurrent sessions you are far more likely to reach your cap/overshoot than someone with 1. The reason why SAOL is offering their 10GB accounts at this price at the moment is for the same reason that Telkom doesn't hard cap. They are betting that the majority of their users on that low-priced 10GB package will in fact never reach 10GB (and will on average in fact only reach about half of 10GB - primarily due to the 1 concurrent session). If this does not come to pass I doubt they will keep those prices running for longer than a couple of months. Unless they come up with an alternative solution.
 
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warichard ... fair enough .. but the saying goes "help me today and I will return the favour tomorrow"

If they are prepared to help consumers now and if they in the next few months have to put their prices up to be able to survive in this crazy field, gues who I am going to support?

If your answer was anyone else but OpenWeb or SAOL you're wrong.


Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm :D
 
warichard said:
If you take a look at SAOL's pricing for 4 concurrent sessions on their 10GB accounts, you're looking at a price of R650. This is due to the fact that with 4 concurrent sessions you are far more likely to reach your cap/overshoot than someone with 1. The reason why SAOL is offering their 10GB accounts at this price at the moment is for the same reason that Telkom doesn't hard cap. They are betting that the majority of their users on that low-priced 10GB package will in fact never reach 10GB (and will on average in fact only reach about half of 10GB - primarily due to the 1 concurrent session). If this does not come to pass I doubt they will keep those prices running for longer than a couple of months. Unless they come up with an alternative solution.
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Well at least theyre trying.
 
Just curious WA-Richard, when there were 30GB accounts at reasonable levels, did most of the users use the full quota?
 
Nick333, most definitely. It's risky business though.

As for what you said HellTel, while there is some customer loyalty on the forum, by and large a lot of the users here are the ones that will go to the cheapest provider, regardless of how long they have been with the previous one. We lost a fair deal of users who were on the 30GB accounts for R199 to competitors when the new pricing structure came into effect. And in this case we were most definitely running at a loss. I personally don't feel the statement "help me today and I will return the favour tomorrow" exactly applies.

One might say that the people here on MyADSL are the more "astute" ADSL users, always shopping around for the best deals, but it also means that those users are not the "primary focus" of a business wishing to profitably sell a product as the user base from MyADSL tends to be very fluid. I can assure you if we came out with a 10GB package @ R200 or something, those users who left to go to the cheaper provider would most likely come right back because we are now the cheapest - in that sense these users are definitely a "minority". I could use an example of Telkom in this sense, but it's different with them as they do not have a "competitor" to which unhappy users (or a fluid userbase such as MyADSL) can go to, so like them or not you're stuck with them. But I can assure you that if there was a competitor, they would hear what you have to say, but it does not necessarily mean they will act on it, because no large company is going to pandor to a market that is not going to be profitable in the short-medium-long term, and MyADSL users are generally not what one would consider "profitable" - at least not directly.
 
OK lets see who is ripping of us :-

Which ISP will be honest enough to tell the cost for bandwidth from TELKOM and we will then compare price to service.

I donot mind paying more but with better service as with Webafrica


Diddy
 
Dominic, our stats showed that those who were on the special generally used more than their 30GB (sometimes substantially more as there was no hard capping) than those who actually paid full price for it. This is where we base the "MyADSL users are generally the lowest paying, highest usage, users", granted this is not an entirely accurate statement, but I think we can still all come to that assumption based on the goals of the users on this forum, affordable (some might say "dirt-cheap"), unlimited ADSL.
 
dd1313 I'm sure the prices were discussed ad nauseum prior to November 1st, it's generally based on how much total throughput you generally do, but any ISP worth their salt would be pushing far beyond the maximum pricing threshold that SAIX indicates. Including VAT you're looking at prices in the region of R60-R70 per GB. I'm sure a search on the forum (or even looking it up on Hellkom) will give you a more accurate picture.
 
HellTel said:
warichard ... fair enough .. but the saying goes "help me today and I will return the favour tomorrow"

If they are prepared to help consumers now and if they in the next few months have to put their prices up to be able to survive in this crazy field, gues who I am going to support?
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My experience (looking on these forums) is that there is no such loyalty to the ISP's. People jump ship for a couple of bucks savings.

Cheers

Dean
 
What I'd like to know is how can many of the ISP's afford to offer an upcapped service @ R1450, when they sell 3gig packages at R200-R250.

If their wholesale cost is truly +-R60 a gig, they would be making a loss as soon as their customer gets over 25 gigs.
 
Abe said:
My experience (looking on these forums) is that there is no such loyalty to the ISP's. People jump ship for a couple of bucks savings.

Cheers

Dean
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with the hyper expensive prices as of 1th of november, obviously everyone will be looking for the most cost effective solution rather than anything else ...
 
The "uncapped" services that ISP's offer are not on SAIX's network and are therefore subject to different rates. UUNet used to offer an uncapped service (but this has subsequently been suspended from any new subscriptions since July this year) and IS is currently offering a "business uncapped" service at approximately R1450. The killer is in the fine print though, where IS states that should you constitute excessive usage on the network or if you utilise facilities such as P2P, etc. you may be subject to throttling or hard capping. What this threshold is is unknown, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's near that R1450 mark for average usage.
 
My loyalty has stayed with Web Africa... Simply because of their support crew, the guys are always willing to help me out when i have problems.

I was on the R199 for 30Gb int. traffic and am now on the 3 gb option and having to buy prepaid traffic is killing me :)
 
warichard said:
dd1313 I'm sure the prices were discussed ad nauseum prior to November 1st, it's generally based on how much total throughput you generally do, but any ISP worth their salt would be pushing far beyond the maximum pricing threshold that SAIX indicates. Including VAT you're looking at prices in the region of R60-R70 per GB. I'm sure a search on the forum (or even looking it up on Hellkom) will give you a more accurate picture.
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HI Richard

I was not not complaining,just saying I donot mind paying more for better service.....
 
Myadsl members are obviously the ones that will jump isps the most
1: they know not to sign contracts for more than a month to month basis
2: Their informed of best prices out there, then if their isp is not cutting it regardless if it's support/price they will jump ship to the next isp.


The idea that papi now states of High end users/us wanting rolls royce's for volkswagen price's is absolutely absurd and I hope that ISP's won't be stupid enough to start parriting him.
In his slowly emerging telkom mentality he's being indoctered to believe that telkom is offering a great service for a low price. what he doesn't realise is that he's getting rolls royce price for volkswagen spare parts.
 
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