Imported Galaxy Note: Warranty Issues

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I'd like to order the new Samsung Galaxy Note online from the UK but Im worried about Warranty issues. I called Samsung in Jhb to ask about this and they said that the manufacturer's/product warranty that comes with any imported Samsung handset would not apply in South Africa (they said it would only apply in the country where the handset was purchased). That means, if anything was to go wrong with the Galaxy note purchased online from the UK, i would either have to post it back to the UK for warranty repairs or pay for the local repair centres to work on it. However, they say that they cannot guarantee the outcome if the imported product has to be repaired locally, but they can gurantee the outcomes if the Samsung service technicians are working on a locally purchased Samsung Galaxy note. It sounds a bit unfair and stupid for Samsung not to guarantee the outcomes of repair work carried out by their local technicians, simply because the handset was imported. Anyway, I know some of you guys have been thinking of ordering your handsets from Handtec.co.uk but have you thought about what you would do in case something goes wrong and the handset needs repairwork under warrantee? Would you pay for repair work to be carried out locally or send it back to the UK for warrantee repairs? I read somewhere on the net that some US consumers have experienced issues relating to frozen images on the screen or screen-related technical issues with the Galaxy note and some customers who initially purchased the product without waranty are having to resort to third party warranties.

Any ideas?

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I'd like to order the new Samsung Galaxy Note online from the UK but Im worried about Warranty issues.

I called Samsung in Jhb to ask about this and they said that the manufacturer's/product warranty that comes with any imported Samsung handset would not apply in South Africa (they said it would only apply in the country where the handset was purchased). That means, if anything was to go wrong with the Galaxy note purchased online from the UK, i would either have to post it back to the UK for warranty repairs or pay for the local repair centres to work on it. However, they say that they cannot guarantee the outcome if the imported product has to be repaired locally, but they can gurantee the outcomes if the Samsung service technicians are working on a locally purchased Samsung Galaxy note.

It sounds a bit unfair and stupid for Samsung not to guarantee the outcomes of repair work carried out by their local technicians, simply because the handset was imported. Anyway, I know some of you guys have been thinking of ordering your handsets from Handtec.co.uk but have you thought about what you would do in case something goes wrong and the handset needs repairwork under warrantee?

Would you pay for repair work to be carried out locally or send it back to the UK for warrantee repairs? I read somewhere on the net that some US consumers have experienced issues relating to frozen images on the screen or screen-related technical issues with the Galaxy note and some customers who initially purchased the product without waranty are having to resort to third party warranties.

Any ideas?

thanks

That's better.. I got my SGS2 from handtec, if it dies I'll take it to a repair centre..
 

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No country supports grey import products, that's nothing new.

The reason they are saying they cannot guarantee the work on any repairs is because of the grey import, should anything go wrong while under repairs an official import will get replaced by Samsung, a grey import would be your own loss. They in no way implying that the local guys are incompetent, they simply saying they are human and make mistakes just like anyone one else, $hit happens.

As you have no warranty on it they accept no responsibility in any way shape or form should anything go wrong at the repair center.

As for paying for work to be done, it depends, cellphone repairs are expensive, you looking at a few hundred an hour for labor and if any parts are needed your pretty buggered as those are ridiculously expensive. I want that phone too, but i personally will not take the risk on something so expensive, grey imports are also not covered by most insurance companies so claiming on it will not happen unless you file a police report falsely claiming it was stolen.

Just checked the price, you just about save R1500 once shipping is included on the local retail price, hardly seems worth it, personally i would think R1500 is well worth a 2 year warranty on a phone.
 
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No country supports grey import products, that's nothing new.

The reason they are saying they cannot guarantee the work on any repairs is because of the grey import, should anything go wrong while under repairs an official import will get replaced by Samsung, a grey import would be your own loss. They in no way implying that the local guys are incompetent, they simply saying they are human and make mistakes just like anyone one else, $hit happens.

As you have no warranty on it they accept no responsibility in any way shape or form should anything go wrong at the repair center.

As for paying for work to be done, it depends, cellphone repairs are expensive, you looking at a few hundred an hour for labor and if any parts are needed your pretty buggered as those are ridiculously expensive. I want that phone too, but i personally will not take the risk on something so expensive, grey imports are also not covered by most insurance companies so claiming on it will not happen unless you file a police report falsely claiming it was stolen.

Just checked the price, you just about save R1500 once shipping is included on the local retail price, hardly seems worth it, personally i would think R1500 is well worth a 2 year warranty on a phone.

Point taken about grey imports, although Samsung (or any other product manufacturer for that matter) should be able to differentiate between their genuine imported product and a grey, non-Samsung made product. These are global products made to exacting global quality standards and have serial numbers that can be tracked across the globe. So as far as Im concerned warranties should be able to apply globally and there should be systems and standards to verify genuine products from grey products for purposes of validating warranties.
This refusal to endorse a warranty on a genuine imported product sounds like a scam to get us to buy locally marketed products which tend to be pricey compared to imported products (even when shiping costs are taken into account)
 

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Point taken about grey imports, although Samsung (or any other product manufacturer for that matter) should be able to differentiate between their genuine imported product and a grey, non-Samsung made product. These are global products made to exacting global quality standards and have serial numbers that can be tracked across the globe. So as far as Im concerned warranties should be able to apply globally and there should be systems and standards to verify genuine products from grey products for purposes of validating warranties.
This refusal to endorse a warranty on a genuine imported product sounds like a scam to get us to buy locally marketed products which tend to be pricey compared to imported products (even when shiping costs are taken into account)

Grey are not fake products, those are black, grey are products brought into the country through unofficial channels, its not only Samsung that does it and its not only south africa, every manufacturer in every country in the world has the same policy, that why laptops get advertised with global warranties, if you moved to London and took your LG tv with you your warranty would be useless toy ou there, same with any and all other products you buy. The serial number is how they track that its not an official import.

Remember it costs them money to repair this product and having come through unofficial channels there is no way to determine if any alterations were made tot he device by the grey seller, which is something that has and does happen often, electronics are sent to a country for specific reasons and in some cases there are slight differences in devices depending on the country based on the countries laws, signal requirements and what not depending on the type of product.

Also the other risk in grey imports and its literally luck of the draw, is local customs charges for unofficial imports of electronics can be as much as 300% of the sale price. I have personally had a parcel stopped at customs and was contacted to provide a copy of the original sales receipt, clearance fee was R25 and an additional duty fee of 70% was imposed, by the time i got my ram it was already above the current retail price in part because of shipping time, but also that serious duty fee, that kit was R1800 when i ordered it @ R950ish, but the time it arrived the market price had dropped to about R1300/R1400 and by the time customs had screwed me i paid almost R1700 for it, basically only saving R100 off the price of when i ordered it but R300 more than what i would of paid had i walked into computer mania. Official importers like Samsung pay at most a 15% duty fee, something to do with market promotion and economical growth, at one stage the private and commercial import duties were both bellow 100%, but once they changed official to a cap of 15% they greatly increased the maximum private import to prevent people from doing exactly what you are about to.

If they don't check it you are likely to pay no import fee, maybe not even a clearance fee, but if they run that through an x-ray they will most certainly stop it, open, and then decide if and how much they will charge you to actually get it. If they request an invoice they will calculate it against the current days exchange rate, so if the exchange has shifted you could end up paying a clearance fee based on an amount higher than what you actually paid for the product and legally speaking up to 3X that amount. Although i do know many people who import products and in most cases its 70% - 100%, they have to be in a really **** mood to go higher than that.
 

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You do get some OEM's that support Grey imports on warranty claims.

Sony Ericsson is one of them, if you registered the product. It all depends on the internal structure and how their billing/cost centers work. The main reason why most companies don't do this is because of the lack of proper internal policies.

I do find the part where they dont guarantee repaired work a bit odd/low blow. Esp when I look at the history of things I bought while I stayed/worked in other countries. To be honest if this is an Official stance I might just refrain from buying Samsung products in future.
 

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Grey are not fake products, those are black, grey are products brought into the country through unofficial channels, its not only Samsung that does it and its not only south africa, every manufacturer in every country in the world has the same policy

Well, this means the options are pretty clear then! Either I buy a local product (pay R8,800.00 as per Vodacom pricing) and hope the warranty issue will be sorted, and that if something goes wrong with it, a Samsung service centre will repair under warranty - or, alternatively on my next trip to the UK i buy the thing, bring it into the country and hope nothing goes wrong with it, and if it does, I fork out the cash to get the thing repaired and pray that Samsung Technicians do a good job of.
 
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You will know your history with phones as well, how well you look after your stuff.

Software problems can be sorted by yourself, flashing a different ROM or the original SBF, so I would not worry about software errors, if it doesn't give hardware problems, a quick Google will reveal this, then I do not see why not?

It is up to you in the end.
 

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You will know your history with phones as well, how well you look after your stuff.

Software problems can be sorted by yourself, flashing a different ROM or the original SBF, so I would not worry about software errors, if it doesn't give hardware problems, a quick Google will reveal this, then I do not see why not?

It is up to you in the end.

Not 100% true, i flashed a custom rom and did not like t mostly as i had not read all the instructions. SERIOUS ADVICE, do not flash roms at 3am.
Bigger mistake, never ran a nandroid backup, so the process of fixing it up ended up bricking the phone, spent 3 weeks with vodacom to sort it out.

So yes, flashing roms at 3am may lead to bricked phone which is something you cannot fix yourself, i spent a day on google proving that.
 

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Well, this means the options are pretty clear then! Either I buy a local product (pay R8,800.00 as per Vodacom pricing) and hope the warranty issue will be sorted, and that if something goes wrong with it, a Samsung service centre will repair under warranty - or, alternatively on my next trip to the UK i buy the thing, bring it into the country and hope nothing goes wrong with it, and if it does, I fork out the cash to get the thing repaired and pray that Samsung Technicians do a good job of.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world, i have family overseas so getting a phone like that is no problem for me, but i have a contract so i do not see the point in buying a phone cash.
Also if you don't go to vodacom you can get the phone for as low as R7100, i considered getting the handset via fnb and that's what the ultimate cost would be, R295pm x24, so if you look at some of the local online sellers you can probably find it a lot closer to that price which makes the UK price not so awesome considering the risks.

The insurance thing i found out from my boss, he went to UK for business and picked up a nexus s for 3k and then still claimed he's tax back. lol
 

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Not 100% true, i flashed a custom rom and did not like t mostly as i had not read all the instructions. SERIOUS ADVICE, do not flash roms at 3am.
Bigger mistake, never ran a nandroid backup, so the process of fixing it up ended up bricking the phone, spent 3 weeks with vodacom to sort it out.

So yes, flashing roms at 3am may lead to bricked phone which is something you cannot fix yourself, i spent a day on google proving that.

How did you end up bricking it from a rom flash?

From my knowledge the only time you can brick it is if you stuff up/flash the recovery section.
 

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accredited agents of most products pay up front in order to hold vast quanties of stock - various colours and models so they're easily available to the public, they store the product, advertise it, employ and train technicians to back up their product and have spares on hand as replacements if something goes wrong. that's why it costs more than a grey import. also some goods aren't packed well enough for international shipping, although i doubt that would affect a cell phone.
 

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How did you end up bricking it from a rom flash?

From my knowledge the only time you can brick it is if you stuff up/flash the recovery section.

For some strange reason it let me flash it with too little battery power, it died half way through the flash, would not turn on anymore. Hardware buttons stopped working.
Again, 3am, i saw low batter, connected charger to phone but not too wall...
 

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Check out this as an option: http://www.cacell.co.za/Samsung-I9100-Galaxy-S-2

They run out of the Altech store in sandton city, and have stock on hand.

Carries a local warranty too, AFAIK, and R3k cheaper than Vodacom ( Was R5k when I bought mine )

dont they sell the note, compared to that an s2 is not an option, not even in the same league.

notes technically not a phone, its the first of a new series of hybrid devices, aka tablet phones. The stylus and screen are also wacom powered, there is no phone in existence that can match the almost pin point accuracy. It usez the same tpuch technology wacom developed for its clintiq range.

With the help off applications like sketch pad and photoshop touch this device is capable of true artistic skething, pretty much what you would get with an actual pen/pencil and paper. Samsun had to redesign aspects of the UI to allow it to correctly support the massive accuracy boost while still allowing it o respond to your fingers in the same way an S2 would.

Its a god amoungst phones. It it were Zeus then the S2 would be Hermes. If you don't know your greek lore, Hermes was Zues's messenger, the guy with the wings on he's shoes.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk
 

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Well, this means the options are pretty clear then! Either I buy a local product (pay R8,800.00 as per Vodacom pricing) and hope the warranty issue will be sorted, and that if something goes wrong with it, a Samsung service centre will repair under warranty - or, alternatively on my next trip to the UK i buy the thing, bring it into the country and hope nothing goes wrong with it, and if it does, I fork out the cash to get the thing repaired and pray that Samsung Technicians do a good job of.

What happened to taking out a contract? Never ever buy a phone cash price from the network operators!

Then, about what you can do about warranty, you get electronics warranties and THERE are international ones. They won't cover the import duties but worst case they'll refund the cost price in the country you bought from.

Now about customs, i find the advice strange. Sars has the rates clearly published on their website and I have never ever been billed more than expected. Touch wood. My items have been stopped at customs at times but following up and clearing the situation has always had me ok. I did even call the imports guys to verify what limits are there and so on!
 
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