In conclusion to the D3000 vs 1000D thread

bwana said:
Just how complicated is the Nikon system that they had to specifically make an easy menu system anyway?
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I think they knew that there were people like me out there.
My uncle showed me his 40D in 2007. Very nice.

But very complicated menu system.
 
bwana said:
Just how complicated is the Nikon system that they had to specifically make an easy menu system anyway?
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It's about capturing the newbie segment of the market by offering an easier-to-use product than the competition. It's not saying "our menus are too complicated" (I'm sure they're quite proud of their menus), it's saying "let's just make things a little easier". Newbies do not want complicated menu systems. Just imagine a newbie with a D90 vs. a D3000, one with the D3000 will be able to take better pics sooner IMO.
 
PostmanPot said:
It's about capturing the newbie segment of the market by offering an easier-to-use product than the competition. It's not saying "our menus are too complicated" (I'm sure they're quite proud of their menus), it's saying "let's just make things a little easier". Newbies do not want complicated menu systems. Just imagine a newbie with a D90 vs. a D3000, one with the D3000 will be able to take better pics sooner IMO.
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Out of curiosity I had a look at the guide mode. It must be invaluable to someone who cant remember that aperture controls depth of field and shutter speed motion. I would hate for a new photographer to become reliant on it and miss shots as a result of going through those steps.

Ironically the first guide I found on it came from Ken cRockwell who, lets face it, trashed the D3000 as the worst camera Nikon has ever made. This might actually work in the D3000's favour because the guy is basically full of it anyway. :D
 
bwana said:
Just how complicated is the Nikon system that they had to specifically make an easy menu system anyway?
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It's not. Their menu layout seems quite sensible. What they have done is include the equivalent of online help to describe what each setting does.
 
bwana said:
Out of curiosity I had a look at the guide mode. It must be invaluable to someone who cant remember that aperture controls depth of field and shutter speed motion. I would hate for a new photographer to become reliant on it and miss shots as a result of going through those steps.
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They are not hard subjects to learn. But it all goes towards Nikon's way of having menus (and specifically the help button) on their entry-level bodies that help newbies learn photography/take better pics.
 
PostmanPot said:
They are not hard subjects to learn. But it all goes towards Nikon's way of having menus (and specifically the help button) on their entry-level bodies that help newbies learn photography/take better pics.
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Guide mode vs basic features every camera should have like AEB? How magnanimous of them.
 
PostmanPot said:
AEB vs good build quality & ergonomics any decent camera manufacturer should have. How considerate of them. :D
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I'm not sure where this misperception about the low end canons having poor build quality comes from. I've been beating the hell out of my 400D for more than three years now, my five year old has been helping out for two of those years.

I've heard that people who faulted the ergonomics were turned around when they tried the camera with the optional grip (which is invaluable for portrait shots). I cant seem to find a battery grip for the D3000 though?
 
bwana said:
I'm not sure where this misperception about the low end canons having poor build quality comes from. I've been beating the hell out of my 400D for more than three years now, my five year old has been helping out for two of those years.

I've heard that people who faulted the ergonomics were turned around when they tried the camera with the optional grip (which is invaluable for portrait shots). I cant seem to find a battery grip for the D3000 though?
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Who has that perception here? I'm pretty sure it's specifically regarding the 1000D. At least from what I've read here.

The D3000's ergonomics were obviously designed to satisfy people without them needing a battery grip.

I've seen some generic battery grips for the D40, perhaps there are some out there for the D3000.
 
PostmanPot said:
Who has that perception here? I'm pretty sure it's specifically regarding the 1000D. At least from what I've read here.
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It's a prevalent misconception. Even if you want to apply it just to the 1000D it would be wrong. I shoot my friends 1000D on a regular basis and there's little difference between it and my 400D, at least in terms of build quality. Sure it has its faults just like bottom of the range nikon. If you noticed I've been trying to steer the op away from both the D3000 and the 1000D. ;)

PostmanPot said:
The D3000's ergonomics were obviously designed to satisfy people without them needing a battery grip.
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spend a day shooting in portrait orientation with a grip then a day shooting without, then comment. It's all about the buttons. ;)
 
bwana said:
It's a prevalent misconception. Even if you want to apply it just to the 1000D it would be wrong. I shoot my friends 1000D on a regular basis and there's little difference between it and my 400D, at least in terms of build quality. Sure it has its faults just like bottom of the range nikon. If you noticed I've been trying to steer the op away from both the D3000 and the 1000D. ;)
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I don't see how it can be wrong when e.g. quite a few forumites here remark on the 1000D's poor build quality. Maybe the build quality is acceptable, until they hold the D3000. I would also like to steer the OP away from either cameras but IIRC it isn't possible due to budget constraints. So I am sticking to D3000 vs 1000D.

spend a day shooting in portrait orientation with a grip then a day shooting without, then comment. It's all about the buttons. ;)
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Fair enough, but neither I or the OP, AFAICS, would be doing that sort of thing.
 
PostmanPot said:
I don't see how it can be wrong when e.g. quite a few forumites here remark on the 1000D's poor build quality. Maybe the build quality is acceptable, until they hold the D3000. I would also like to steer the OP away from either cameras but IIRC it isn't possible due to budget constraints. So I am sticking to D3000 vs 1000D.
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You don't see how it can be wrong? Have people who own or have even used the 1000D experienced problems with the build quality? Picking up a camera in the shop and actually using it are two seperate things which is why I suggested earlier that the OP rent/borrow and make an informed decision.

PostmanPot said:
Fair enough, but neither I or the OP, AFAICS, would be doing that sort of thing.
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Obviously, at least not if you happen to own a bottom of the range Nikon - they dont support a vertical grip so it's not really an option is it. ;)
 
bwana said:
You don't see how it can be wrong? Have people who own or have even used the 1000D experienced problems with the build quality? Picking up a camera in the shop and actually using it are two seperate things which is why I suggested earlier that the OP rent/borrow and make an informed decision.
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Are people who own or have used the 1000D coming out in defence of the supposed poor quality that forumites are claiming when they've held the camera in the shops? Because I haven't seen so, my guess would be that they are disparaged before buying it. Although one could argue it was because they didn't know about AEB and battery grips, if comparing to the D3000... ;) I imagine renting would mean spending more cash which should be avoided judging by the OP's tone. If testing the 1000D properly is necessary then perhaps someone here could show theirs to the OP...?

Obviously, at least not if you happen to own a bottom of the range Nikon - they dont support a vertical grip so it's not really an option is it. ;)
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It would never have needed to be. It would be great if there were statistics on how many 1000D owners actually bought battery grips.
 
PostmanPot said:
Are people who own or have used the 1000D coming out in defence of the supposed poor quality that forumites are claiming when they've held the camera in the shops? Because I haven't seen so, my guess would be that they are disparaged before buying it. Although one could argue it was because they didn't know about AEB and battery grips, if comparing to the D3000... ;) I imagine renting would mean spending more cash which should be avoided judging by the OP's tone. If testing the 1000D properly is necessary then perhaps someone here could show theirs to the OP...?
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I have not handled the 1000D, but if it is similar to the 450D, then it probably looks and feels cheap.
 
Well, I got my camera!!!

Woohoo!! It's so nice!
This is the perfect camera for me - I need to learn - ALOT!

Pity my family, their faces are going to be plastered everywhere! Lol.

Oh, I love the D3000. It feels just.... perfect.
I played with a 1000D for a short while, but somehow found it.... 'empty'.

Anyway, to the photo gurus here, thank you and expect some noob questions not in the too distant future.

:)
 
PostmanPot said:
They are not hard subjects to learn. But it all goes towards Nikon's way of having menus (and specifically the help button) on their entry-level bodies that help newbies learn photography/take better pics.
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How does a help button on a camera teach you photography or to take better pics?

;)
 
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