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killadoob
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ekhaat your logic is correct but in a way its not, i know that doesnt make sense
let me try explain
shock g can maybe cut me down if im wrong
firstly the fx 62 is around 7k the e6300 is around 2k so for 5k less i better performing cpu when overclocked
secondly i doubt the fx 62 can clock really well so basically i would need the e6400 overclocked to beat the fx 62 clocked so again you have 4.5k saving and the intel's will run cooler
so its not stupid to say you will buy a chip and overclock it because the intel core 2's can clock more than a 1ghz if you have an expensive asus board or 965 board
my friend grimmy has e6400 at 3.4ghz with a special air cooler nothing fancy
basically these intel's where made to be overclocked man and the simple fact of the matter is that even noob like me with an easy guide ive got my e6300 to 2.79ghz which is faster than a fx 62
but yes stock it doesnt beat a fx 62
but i dunno what do you think shock?
o nokkie what cpu do you have?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2802
let me try explain
shock g can maybe cut me down if im wrong firstly the fx 62 is around 7k the e6300 is around 2k so for 5k less i better performing cpu when overclocked
secondly i doubt the fx 62 can clock really well so basically i would need the e6400 overclocked to beat the fx 62 clocked so again you have 4.5k saving and the intel's will run cooler
so its not stupid to say you will buy a chip and overclock it because the intel core 2's can clock more than a 1ghz if you have an expensive asus board or 965 board
my friend grimmy has e6400 at 3.4ghz with a special air cooler nothing fancy
basically these intel's where made to be overclocked man and the simple fact of the matter is that even noob like me with an easy guide ive got my e6300 to 2.79ghz which is faster than a fx 62
but yes stock it doesnt beat a fx 62
but i dunno what do you think shock?
o nokkie what cpu do you have?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2802
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I wasn't saying the AMD is faster I would never say that, all I was saying is that if he goes AMD just wait 3~4weeks and he can pick up the 65nm part that's all.
Be it the E6300 is faster when overclocked or stock is another issue entirely and I am not getting caught up in that.
Be it the E6300 is faster when overclocked or stock is another issue entirely and I am not getting caught up in that.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
If you really have to go between these two. Well it is obvious which one is faster: the one for almost 3 times the price. It is also a lot faster.
But for that kind of money I would rather get the AMD chip, you are in such high end now I wonder if the rest of your system even keeps up or justifies buying such an expensive CPU.
But the people are right, a lower end Core2 CPU seems like a better idea. At least just go one step down, I think the price should drop a lot.
killadoob
Honorary Master
no man shock all i was asking is whether what i said was correct or not
you seem to be the guru on this sort of thing
e6300 FTW!!!!!!!!!!
you seem to be the guru on this sort of thing
e6300 FTW!!!!!!!!!!
oh my bad. :/ You right. 
Bleh get the cheaper one, in this case, it's actually quiet a speedy little chip.
If anything it's faster than all Pentium4s which makes it plenty fast.
Whatever you buy just make sure you're happy with it. I would think price/performance is better than outright performance most times so in that case the E6300 would be just fine.
Bleh get the cheaper one, in this case, it's actually quiet a speedy little chip.
If anything it's faster than all Pentium4s which makes it plenty fast.
Whatever you buy just make sure you're happy with it. I would think price/performance is better than outright performance most times so in that case the E6300 would be just fine.
ekhaat your logic is correct but in a way its not, i know that doesnt make sense
let me try explain
firstly the fx 62 is around 7k the e6300 is around 2k so for 5k less i better performing cpu when overclocked
secondly i doubt the fx 62 can clock really well so basically i would need the e6400 overclocked to beat the fx 62 clocked so again you have 4.5k saving and the intel's will run cooler
so its not stupid to say you will buy a chip and overclock it because the intel core 2's can clock more than a 1ghz if you have an expensive asus board or 965 board
my friend grimmy has e6400 at 3.4ghz with a special air cooler nothing fancy
basically these intel's where made to be overclocked man and the simple fact of the matter is that even noob like me with an easy guide ive got my e6300 to 2.79ghz which is faster than a fx 62
but yes stock it doesnt beat a fx 62
but i dunno what do you think shock?
o nokkie what cpu do you have?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2802
atm I've got a AMD 4000+ 64bit the first ones that shipped out.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
You must have a lot of money and a really good system to feel the need to upgrade from that. I wouldn't really other upgrading to a 5000+ then.. seems like a waste of money.
If you want to get a considerably more powerful CPU then a Core2 Intel seems like a good choice. But you don't need the top range one for R10 000, its not worth it.
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Don't trust Nvidia chipsets at all ... all bleeding edge stuff but with bugs but Intel's is just rock solid and stable.
Nvidia has had SATA issues with some Maxtor drives and their amazing LAN hardware firewall is buggy as hell.
Nvidia has had SATA issues with some Maxtor drives and their amazing LAN hardware firewall is buggy as hell.
didn't intel at sum stage had unstable cpu's? like somewhere in 2000 or whatever?
DragonLogos
Expert Member
If you ask me the big L2 on the Conroe is hiding the fact that the chip is not the technical break away it is supposed to be, a bit of hype mixed with some smoke and mirrors...
Anyway here is the classic Intel bug story...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,alt.prophecies.nostradamus From: [email protected] (Michel) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:23:33 UTC Subject: More about Nostradamus vs In-tell
A month ago, I posted a quatrain in which Nostradamus predicted the Pentium scandal. The messages was rather short, and didn't give any details of the interpretation. During the last month, I discussed about this prediction with other readers, and we found out plenty of stuff. For those who missed the original post, here is the relevant quatrain: C 2,VIA upres des portes & dedans deux citez Seront deux fleaux, & onc n'apperceut VN TEL, Faim, dedans peste, de fer hors gens boutez, Crier secours au grand Dieu immortel. and its translation to English: Near the gates and inside two cities Will be TWO FLAWS, and nobody noticed it [from] INTEL Hunger, pest inside, by steel people thrown out
Cry for help to the great immortal God.
INTEL's name:
The spelling is not quite correct: a V instead of an I, and an extra space between N and T. The word resembles more the french expression 'un tel' (meaning 'such', 'what-s-his-name', 'same' or 'some person') especially since u's and v's are often substituted. Critics could say that 'un tel' would be a common French expression, and dismiss the prediction as pure chance. However, the words 'vn tel' occur only once in all the quatrains, and that's here! The space in VN TEL is maybe a hint at a pun. In could be a prefix meaning 'not', and in-tel[l] = those who do not tell (Like in in-correct = not correct, in-divisble = not divisible, im-precise = not precise). If we consider the v as an u, we keep this meaning: un-professional = not professional, un-tested = not tested. V is also the roman numeral 5, as in 586, PENTium, or 5 missing lookup fnord table entries (which caused the bug).
The repetition of INSIDE:
In this quatrain, the word 'inside' (dedans) occurs twice, which is remarkable, considering that it only occurs 24 times in total in all the quatrains. This must have a meaning. You guessed it: The 'In-tell Inside' advertisement campaign. The number 24 itself also has a meaning: It's the mean time between division errors (in days) for normal spreadsheet usage according to IBM's analysis. Nostradamus himself believed IBM (24 days) more than In-tell (27000 years)!
The Gates
There are some doubts whether these refer to Bill Gate$, or rather to the logical gates on the microprocessor.
The Cities
Here we have two interpretations too:
1. The cities mean corporations, as in Micro$oft and In-tell. In-tell had the pentium bug, and Micro$oft the Windows calculator bug (2.01 - 2.00 = 0!)
2. The city is the aspect of the microprocessor when looked at under a microscope. (Remember that In-tell commercial where the 'camera' flies into the PC and discovers the Pentium?) The different parts of the processors can be viewed as distinct neighbouring cities: the floating point unit, the integer unit, the cache memory, According to this interpretation, another Pentium bug will be found in one of the other units. It's severity will be comparable to the FDIV bug.
Two flaws
Obvious. The FDIV flaw, and the yet-to-be discovered integer flaw.
Hunger
In-tell's _greed_, which made them hide the flaw and minimize it later. The hunger may also hint at In-tell's bankruptcy after the second flaw will be discovered by the public. In-tell will lose almost all its market share, and many employees will lose their jobs.
Pest inside:
Nostradamus' version of 'In-tell Inside' By steel Steel = hardware. This is not a SOFTware bug (as most bugs), but a HARDware bug. (And in the traditional sense, hardware means 'steel tools')
People thrown out
Initially In-tell 'threw out' (turned down) people asking for a replacement chip, because they were not deemed worthy. Another interpretation would be that people threw out their chips. (Re-arrange the words: 'By people steel thrown out') Btw, the French word 'bouter' is used nowadays to mean 'to boot [a computer]'. Yet another hint that Nostradamus is indeed speaking about computers.
Cry for help to the great immortal God.
According to Phil, this means: They cry for help from the Law There will always be the Law, in any civilization -- there's nothing certain except death and taxes, as they say -- so Law is a great immortal God of civilization. They cry for help from the Federal Government of the U.S. Same reasons as Law, plus the Federal Government of the U.S. has roots in Deism (witness the pyramid fnord with the all-seeing Eye on the U.S. dollar), and the U.S. Federal Government may indeed last until the "end of times". Usually, computer people have a negative attitude towards lawyers. Lawyers are considered to be profiteers and to block progress with idiotic ideas such as 'look & feel' lawsuits and software patents. But these same computer people were so upset at In-tell's scam that some resorted to the hated lawyers to fight against In-tell. Many people filed suits in small claims courts, some even filed class-action suits! Finally State Attorneys General's intervened, and forced In-tell to change its policy!
Number games:
This quatrain has exactly 133 letters (I count '&' as 'et' = 2 letters). 133 = hexadecimal 0x85, i.e. x86 with one missing! Maybe a subtle joke at the arithmetic (in)capabilities of the 585.99912554 ? That would make this quatrain the oldest Pentium joke around The number of the quatrain: The number may hide the date, June 2nd, when In-tell discovered the bug themselves. Why did Nostramus speak about this incident?
Now, why did Nostradamus predict this seemingly insignificant incident? Usually he speaks about wars, revolutions and catastrophes, and now he speaks about microprocessor bugs! Well there's more behind this affair than meets the eye. It was the first time in history that the consumership forced a megacorporation to change its policy to meet their true needs. This incidents establishes new rules in the relationship between consumers and megacorporations. Consumers are no longer powerless, and megacorporations are no longer allmighty. Other corporations have already seen this new trend, and gave up past arrogant attitudes. For instance, Diamond now supplies programming information for their video cards. A few month ago, consumers had to sign non-disclosure agreements in order to learn how to use their expensive video cards! This new relationship will not be limited to the commerce, but spread to politics too. We'll see more and more net-petitions. The new communication media will give the people more power. This incident marks a turning point in the relations of power, the ringing of the division bell has begun! That's why politicians fear this new technology and try to squelch it while its still weak. Police upload child pornography to bulletin boards, get a search warrant, and "find" the child pornography on said bulletin board. This is the pretext to harass and imprison the owner. That's why they cut funding to the backbone. That's why they try to limit the liberty of speech using ludicrous pretexts. Fortunately, there are anonymous remailers That's why they spread rumors about computer "geeks". That's why they raid computer game stores without an apparent reason. That's why they pass laws against cryptography and secure communication. The whole incident is about more than just a chip which can't compute 5 / 15 correctly!
Michel.
Anyway here is the classic Intel bug story...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,alt.prophecies.nostradamus From: [email protected] (Michel) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:23:33 UTC Subject: More about Nostradamus vs In-tell
A month ago, I posted a quatrain in which Nostradamus predicted the Pentium scandal. The messages was rather short, and didn't give any details of the interpretation. During the last month, I discussed about this prediction with other readers, and we found out plenty of stuff. For those who missed the original post, here is the relevant quatrain: C 2,VIA upres des portes & dedans deux citez Seront deux fleaux, & onc n'apperceut VN TEL, Faim, dedans peste, de fer hors gens boutez, Crier secours au grand Dieu immortel. and its translation to English: Near the gates and inside two cities Will be TWO FLAWS, and nobody noticed it [from] INTEL Hunger, pest inside, by steel people thrown out
Cry for help to the great immortal God.
INTEL's name:
The spelling is not quite correct: a V instead of an I, and an extra space between N and T. The word resembles more the french expression 'un tel' (meaning 'such', 'what-s-his-name', 'same' or 'some person') especially since u's and v's are often substituted. Critics could say that 'un tel' would be a common French expression, and dismiss the prediction as pure chance. However, the words 'vn tel' occur only once in all the quatrains, and that's here! The space in VN TEL is maybe a hint at a pun. In could be a prefix meaning 'not', and in-tel[l] = those who do not tell (Like in in-correct = not correct, in-divisble = not divisible, im-precise = not precise). If we consider the v as an u, we keep this meaning: un-professional = not professional, un-tested = not tested. V is also the roman numeral 5, as in 586, PENTium, or 5 missing lookup fnord table entries (which caused the bug).
The repetition of INSIDE:
In this quatrain, the word 'inside' (dedans) occurs twice, which is remarkable, considering that it only occurs 24 times in total in all the quatrains. This must have a meaning. You guessed it: The 'In-tell Inside' advertisement campaign. The number 24 itself also has a meaning: It's the mean time between division errors (in days) for normal spreadsheet usage according to IBM's analysis. Nostradamus himself believed IBM (24 days) more than In-tell (27000 years)!
The Gates
There are some doubts whether these refer to Bill Gate$, or rather to the logical gates on the microprocessor.
The Cities
Here we have two interpretations too:
1. The cities mean corporations, as in Micro$oft and In-tell. In-tell had the pentium bug, and Micro$oft the Windows calculator bug (2.01 - 2.00 = 0!)
2. The city is the aspect of the microprocessor when looked at under a microscope. (Remember that In-tell commercial where the 'camera' flies into the PC and discovers the Pentium?) The different parts of the processors can be viewed as distinct neighbouring cities: the floating point unit, the integer unit, the cache memory, According to this interpretation, another Pentium bug will be found in one of the other units. It's severity will be comparable to the FDIV bug.
Two flaws
Obvious. The FDIV flaw, and the yet-to-be discovered integer flaw.
Hunger
In-tell's _greed_, which made them hide the flaw and minimize it later. The hunger may also hint at In-tell's bankruptcy after the second flaw will be discovered by the public. In-tell will lose almost all its market share, and many employees will lose their jobs.
Pest inside:
Nostradamus' version of 'In-tell Inside'
By steel Steel = hardware. This is not a SOFTware bug (as most bugs), but a HARDware bug. (And in the traditional sense, hardware means 'steel tools') People thrown out
Initially In-tell 'threw out' (turned down) people asking for a replacement chip, because they were not deemed worthy. Another interpretation would be that people threw out their chips. (Re-arrange the words: 'By people steel thrown out') Btw, the French word 'bouter' is used nowadays to mean 'to boot [a computer]'. Yet another hint that Nostradamus is indeed speaking about computers.
Cry for help to the great immortal God.
According to Phil, this means: They cry for help from the Law There will always be the Law, in any civilization -- there's nothing certain except death and taxes, as they say -- so Law is a great immortal God of civilization. They cry for help from the Federal Government of the U.S. Same reasons as Law, plus the Federal Government of the U.S. has roots in Deism (witness the pyramid fnord with the all-seeing Eye on the U.S. dollar), and the U.S. Federal Government may indeed last until the "end of times". Usually, computer people have a negative attitude towards lawyers. Lawyers are considered to be profiteers and to block progress with idiotic ideas such as 'look & feel' lawsuits and software patents. But these same computer people were so upset at In-tell's scam that some resorted to the hated lawyers to fight against In-tell. Many people filed suits in small claims courts, some even filed class-action suits! Finally State Attorneys General's intervened, and forced In-tell to change its policy!
Number games:
This quatrain has exactly 133 letters (I count '&' as 'et' = 2 letters). 133 = hexadecimal 0x85, i.e. x86 with one missing! Maybe a subtle joke at the arithmetic (in)capabilities of the 585.99912554 ? That would make this quatrain the oldest Pentium joke around
The number of the quatrain: The number may hide the date, June 2nd, when In-tell discovered the bug themselves. Why did Nostramus speak about this incident?Now, why did Nostradamus predict this seemingly insignificant incident? Usually he speaks about wars, revolutions and catastrophes, and now he speaks about microprocessor bugs! Well there's more behind this affair than meets the eye. It was the first time in history that the consumership forced a megacorporation to change its policy to meet their true needs. This incidents establishes new rules in the relationship between consumers and megacorporations. Consumers are no longer powerless, and megacorporations are no longer allmighty. Other corporations have already seen this new trend, and gave up past arrogant attitudes. For instance, Diamond now supplies programming information for their video cards. A few month ago, consumers had to sign non-disclosure agreements in order to learn how to use their expensive video cards! This new relationship will not be limited to the commerce, but spread to politics too. We'll see more and more net-petitions. The new communication media will give the people more power. This incident marks a turning point in the relations of power, the ringing of the division bell has begun! That's why politicians fear this new technology and try to squelch it while its still weak. Police upload child pornography to bulletin boards, get a search warrant, and "find" the child pornography on said bulletin board. This is the pretext to harass and imprison the owner. That's why they cut funding to the backbone. That's why they try to limit the liberty of speech using ludicrous pretexts. Fortunately, there are anonymous remailers
That's why they spread rumors about computer "geeks". That's why they raid computer game stores without an apparent reason. That's why they pass laws against cryptography and secure communication. The whole incident is about more than just a chip which can't compute 5 / 15 correctly!Michel.
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
The problem with Intel boards is they started using rubbish onboard components from third parties instead of their own (very good) stuff like Marvel network, Primise IDE/SATA raid, etc.
Get a Gigabyte board
Get a Gigabyte board
DragonLogos
Expert Member
From a budget, entry level view, I find the Intel boards to be crabby... best on-board display is a S3 Uni-Chrome. Wereas AMD has a 6100 on-board, firewire and 8 Channel sound. Also no problems with Dual core up-grade
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
I'm not even talking about their entry level boards. My gripes are based on what I see on (expensive) server boards.
DragonLogos
Expert Member
Fair enough (said the Dragon, getting closer to 500 posts)
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
DragonLogos, what I meant was, if they're cutting corners like that on their server boards, I don't want to know what their desktop boards are like.
Em, yes and he predicted 6 Championship rings for Michael Jordan <_< whatever
I'm not talking about mobo as such but chipset. NF6 is just a better chipset.
The ability to run Memory at any speed you want* and lock it at that speed is very useful. The chipset is hot, but still cooler than 975/965. Has better SATA performance from what I've seen and in general allows further tweaking than 975/965. Oh and also the option to run 1T is there as well.
I'm not talking about mobo as such but chipset. NF6 is just a better chipset.
The ability to run Memory at any speed you want* and lock it at that speed is very useful. The chipset is hot, but still cooler than 975/965. Has better SATA performance from what I've seen and in general allows further tweaking than 975/965. Oh and also the option to run 1T is there as well.
If you want ultimate overclocking look to boards featuring nVidia 680/650 chipset (but avoid ASUS striker) as they are by far better chipsets than intel's own 9XX stuff...
Once you go NF6 you'll never want anything to do with an Intel chipset again
Ordered the ASUS P5N32-E SLi nForce680i.
Supposed to have come today?
Now only next week?I have got all the other components. Just waiting for the board and some OCZ Ram and I will building some new PC's soon.