Intel price decrease

well i said any intel vs amd like 2.8 celeron vs the 2800+

but those are low end only used for office crap and by some gamers

how much is 3.2 intel? to lazy to go look
 
killadoob said:
why spend so much on water cooling rather buy a bigger cpu
....

its a proven fact amd kicks the crap outta intel
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Well I have never ever had to overclock and PC of mine. Being on of the people who only use Intels, My PC's work better than intended without having to go through all the BS the AMD fanbois does :cool:

None the less, I have a friend who is really into over clocking and what not and ever re-mods/soldiers<sp?> the piping on the boards and graphic cards, to get 2 to 3 times the performance out of them

I was to be his next test subject as from his last research and so on, we where planning on building this AMD rig at a cost of 12k, to run like an intel costing 25k-30k... that being the reason for going water cooled.

Oh.. and not going to comment on the AMD kicking the crap outta anyone since we all know that can be turned around, as mentioned by so many, it just depends on which side of the fence your sitting on.. Now days both are damn good and where one chip fails it will exceed in something else, and vice versa for both brands
 
Kalvaer said:
PCformat did a comparison test some months ago. I sent the book to a friend of mine to read, but I'll ask him for it back and try scan in the pages.

It was touch and go for most of them, AMD won when it came to over-clocking. (except for one processor, which I cant remember now think it was the Pentium D 805s, but it was a low end Intel that they took to over 4.0 ghz with no problems at all). Intel won though on value for money (again except on the higher end CPU's, but AMD faired much worse in that regard)
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Dont read PCFormat, its expensive carp and you can get much better info by just using some sites on the net.

Tomshardware.com, XbitLabs.com, anandtech.com

ATM Intel is a bit behind in the performance stakes but Conroe might change that. AMD has not made any announcements regarding a Conroe beater but I am sure they have something on the way.

Intel's Core Duo CPU is a great one.

ATM AMD is the one to get, they run cool, fast and require 0 messing about. But if you want to mess about they can do that too.
 
The Big Firefly said:
can the sampron be faster then the celeron. i mean there is 1.6 ghz defferance. or say 400mhz if amd 2800+ = intel 2.8.
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I thought that was the strategy behind AMD's marketing, the AMD 2800 is no where near the same ratings as the intels speed wise, Their whole idea was that GHZ are not what makes a PC fast???? so why bother putting it on the Processors????

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@ Angellus, I only bought this Issue since they had 5 new Linux ISO's on it which I got for my Fiance for her Varsity work instead of downloading it and using my BW... The article was very very interesting
 
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A bit off topic but I recently built a new pc with a AMD 64 3000+ processor I installed a Zalman fan (purely because I hate the whining stock fan) my pc cpu runs at an average 28 to 38 degrees C. I am just wondering where these tempratures are in the normal operating range of the CPU.
 
yup they are

actually the whole thing behind amd was that a 2800+ run as well if not better than a 2.8ghz intel

speed is not the only thing that makes cpu's fast

no good putting a 3.0! into an uno is there? because the body cant back the power up

same sort of thing hehehe i think
 
killadoob...I think we can both agree that overclocking a machine from 1.8Ghz stock to 2.8Ghz (1Ghz overclock) or just to 2.5 for that matter is a substantial performance gain....
To argue that would be too say that there is no difference between a machine that runs at 250Mhz and one which runs at 1Ghz when anyone who has experienced the performance of those to machines in comparison would say the gain is huge.

Second,yes overclocking is worth it.
Why pay R10 000 for an FX60 when you can pay R2000 for you-name-it or and Overclock it past FX60 speed of 2.6Ghz,given FX60 is dual core,but you get the point,all it takes is comprehensive research on the relations of FSB memory frequencies and timings and voltage

On the subject of water cooling...
For the average user I would see it as an advantage for less noise and no doubt cooler operation of the CPU of which the advantages are obvious.
Furthermore for someone who enjoys hardware it is no doubt a great feelingto have water running in your machine in such close proximity to your hardware,and usually the mix inside a water cooled rig is distilled water,which if spilled onto hardware can be hairdryed back to normal....
:)
 
firstly i doubt you'll ever get a 400% performance gain

all i said was that if you buy a 3.6 ghz and water cooling to overclock it to 4.0 ghz

why not just buy the 4.0 ghz with the money you didnt spend on the water cooling, plus the 4.0 stock wont crash all the time
i doubt anyone has ever gotten more 300 extra outta an intel

amd doesnt need water cooling they run pretty cool

i would say you will hardly ever get more than 200 ghz extra out of a cpu unless you want an unstable pc
 
killadoob said:
firstly i doubt you'll ever get a 400% performance gain

all i said was that if you buy a 3.6 ghz and water cooling to overclock it to 4.0 ghz

why not just buy the 4.0 ghz with the money you didnt spend on the water cooling, plus the 4.0 stock wont crash all the time
i doubt anyone has ever gotten more 300 extra outta an intel

amd doesnt need water cooling they run pretty cool

i would say you will hardly ever get more than 200 ghz extra out of a cpu unless you want an unstable pc
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400% performance gain?
In my example,the gain was 50%...a 100% overclock in AMD is unheard of.
I would agree that water cooling is a preference,however for experience users who want to take there PC higher,water is proven to be far more effective in keeping temps down significantly.
200Ghz?
If you dont get more than 200Mhz out of your CPU,then either you have an extremely odd/weak CPU or you dont have the knowledge of the relationship between memory and FSB and memory timings.
:D
EDIT:I have my machine running on water right now with 1GHZ OC....AMD
:D
 
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i will always buy from who ever offers best value/performance if intel offers better then ill take it...I R no Fan Boy
 
I agree completely jjtoymachine...
Intel has some giant CPU's lurking ATM,extreme performers.
I however find it hard not to support the underdog,that being said,there will be a new round of battles this year for sure.
:)
 
@supersunbird: What would a basic motherboard and Celeron D processor cost nowdays?

@ jjtoymachine: 你们不是没有
 
Im looking at a Celly/Mobo combo for R999 being advertised here in CPT.
 
Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd:D

how far can i overclock my athlon 64 3000+ with stock heatsink?

specs:

AMD athlon 64 3000+
gigabyte nforce 4 motherboard
gigabyte ati radeon x700pro
2x512mb ddr400 ram
2x 80gb seagate ata harddrives
1x 250gb seagate sata harddrive
samsung 17" ctr screen
:eek: :rolleyes: :p
 
arf9999 said:
@supersunbird: What would a basic motherboard and Celeron D processor cost nowdays?
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R900

For a 2.53GHz socket 775 Celeron D with a Foxconn VIA chipset motherboard. Uses DDR2, so add +-R350 for 512MB DDR2 for that if you dont have...
 
The Big Firefly said:
Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd Amd:D

how far can i overclock my athlon 64 3000+ with stock heatsink?

specs:

AMD athlon 64 3000+
gigabyte nforce 4 motherboard
gigabyte ati radeon x700pro
2x512mb ddr400 ram
2x 80gb seagate ata harddrives
1x 250gb seagate sata harddrive
samsung 17" ctr screen
:eek: :rolleyes: :p
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You should be able to do about 2,1 to 2,2GHz most likely (even higher). The gigabytes normally arent the top overclockers though due to BIOS limitations.
 
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