Interesting bits from Worldnet NZ

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I read some of the pages at Worldnet NZ. Found some interesting bits[:D]

Of course, you should read the whole page and section to get everything in perspective. There are a few lies worse than selective quoting [:p]


Telkom can't guarentee line quality and availability of ADSL until they actually installed but...
Worldnet NZ can actually connect you without sending a techie out. That is confidence in their last mile!

(http://www.worldnet.co.nz/en/products/?menu=adslcost)


Telkom can't measure International bandwidth seperate from local traffic. NZ can

"Unlimited on NZ National and 10GB International traffic per month with excess usage 5c per MB. "
(http://www.worldnet.co.nz/en/products/?menu=starter)


Telkom markets ISDN as a solution, but the people in NZ says:

"What does JetStream offer that these don't? <b>ISDN is just too expensive for what it offers</b>. It doesn't offer the speed increase over a normal modem that the others do yet still the costs are similar to the JetStream ones. Leased lines offer the speed but the cost is a lot higher than ADSL."
(http://www.worldnet.co.nz/en/products/?menu=jetstream)
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kaspaas</i>
<br />I read some of the pages at Worldnet NZ. Found some interesting bits[:D]

Of course, you should read the whole page and section to get everything in perspective.

(http://www.worldnet.co.nz/en/products/?menu=adslcost)
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What I like about the site is that it shows that International web traffic can be measured seperate......
Uhm, maybe I will sound like Telkom now, but that page isn't all good news.
The Price for the measure traffic is for a 128kbs. The other limits, although faster than our ADSL offer also seems more expensive.
eg. (please consult the site for full context)
Plan.....Monthly Traffic
..........Intl/ National...Speed....Monthly Fee
Jet 3000....3 GIG..........2-8Mbps . $328.50 (New Zeeland dollars = about R4=NZ$1)

My 2c(VAT inclusive).[8D]
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mux</i>
Uhm, maybe I will sound like Telkom now, but that page isn't all good news.
The Price for the measure traffic is for a 128kbs. The other limits, although faster than our ADSL offer also seems more expensive.
eg. (please consult the site for full context)
T inclusive).[8D]
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I was thinking the same thing. Also I hope Telkom don't get the idea into their heads of charging per megabyte for "excess" usage. And 128k? That sounds too much like ISDN.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Andre</i>
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<i>Originally posted by Mux</i>
<font size="2"><font color="blue">Uhm, ... I hope Telkom don't get the idea into their heads of charging per megabyte for "excess" usage. </font id="blue"></font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

No need to worry about that [;)]
Click to expand...
 
I think microfast is referring to the fact that our 3 Gig Cap is for access to international sites only. Once we've hit the limit, we're throttled, thats all. The fact that we can download as much as we like from local web-sites means that telkom don't give a hoot about local bandwidth so why charge us for additional bandwidth that they don't know how to distinguish between.

When we bought ADSL we were told about the 3 gig limit (we weren't aware that we wouldn't have any international bandwidth, but I won't get started on that) for international bandwidth - all other local bandwidth was included in the cost of the line rental, "no additional charges, no hidden costs" - and I quote. They would be breaking the conditions of their contract if they had to charge us extra for more bandwidth we use - in which case, we'll sue their arses!!!
 
Ya but they can change their rules without notice[}:)]. If they decided to start charging for excess <b>international</b> bandwith they could and we would all have to really watch our downloads internationally. (Besides the fact that if they did this they would be proving that they can easily distinguish the difference between national and international bandwith and thus should not count local bandwith towards our cap[;)])
 
if telkom wants to charge us for excess usage,
they must distinguish between local and international traffic first.
after we are capped, we can't browse international sites anyways, thus no international excess :P

perhaps telkom wants to do that excess charge, there will be no cap.
because telkom wants adsl users to use more bandwidth to pay more to telkom.
 
The key to the NZ comparison is:

<b>128K - 10GB - unlimited national - R267.00 per month all up.</b>

This is the most favoured option in NZ and would be here too I imagine.
So we should have it and if Telkom cannot provide it they should explain to ICASA
why they cannot do so.

Even ICASA would accept that NZ is geographically less favourably situated than we are.
 
Count me out one point. I do NOT want 128k. I'll pay more for higher speed if I have to.
 
If South Africa could get a mere 56k at less than R300 per month anytime of the day as long as you wish (ISP + Telkom calls), it would already boost the local Internet community.

Any guesses if Telkom would be able/willing to roll out such a product?

I know it is a 3rd rate suggestion, but dealing with Telkom one learns that any crumb of service is better than nothing.
 
In New Zealand, just like Canada and the United States, local calls are free.
 
Ok,

I admit my suggestion was not quite so good :-)

Local calls should be free!

Then South Africa will spend more time online.
More local webservices would become viable.
Telkom would sell more bandwidth - and increase its profits

Local can be Lekker - if Telkom plays the game!
 
Yep, which is why a lot of dialup users have second phone lines and then end up with a quasi sort of permanent connection. I mean, you can even get two phone lines extra and have your odd ISDN thing at 128k with no dialup costs.

It boggles my mind that a telecom company can charge for local calls. I mean, just talking to your girlfriend costs money? eek
 
Yer, timed local calls must suck big-time. England have it too.
It's 20cents Au for as long as you want here (Cheaper with bundled services or higher line rental) and $24.95 (R110) a month for dail-up is top dollar.
It must make DSL more attractive though. No dail up fees etc.
 
<i>Telkom can't guarentee line quality and availability of ADSL until they actually installed but...
Worldnet NZ can actually connect you without sending a techie out. That is confidence in their last mile!</i>

That is really strange, It's simply a matter of putting a test meter accross the customer pair in the exchange or if they are tech savvy remotely not even engaging an exchange tech. The Telco should do that well before before they send a feild tech out. At the time DSL was announced here 30% of Australia last mile copper was below international standards and that was after years of a scheme called CAN 2000 which was all about getting the Customer Access Network (CAN) ship shape :).

<i>Telkom can't measure International bandwidth seperate from local traffic. NZ can</i>

Yeah that is weird. Many DSL ISPs differentiate even on a state level here in Aus.

<i>Telkom markets ISDN as a solution, but the people in NZ says:</i>

<i>"What does JetStream offer that these don't? ISDN is just too expensive for what it offers. It doesn't offer the speed increase over a normal modem that the others do yet still the costs are similar to the JetStream ones. Leased lines offer the speed but the cost is a lot higher than ADSL."
(http://www.worldnet.co.nz/en/products/?menu=jetstream)</i>

Jetstream are of course right. After Telstra (our version of Telecom/Telkom) announced DSL and started their snail like roll out of it, they marketed ISDN heavily and a lot of people got burned. For one they treated all Digital calls as timed as well as charging by the megabyte. Secondly two 64kbit port were available but treated as separate lines doulbling costs if you wanted 128kbit.
ISDN died a feiry death here.
 
I seem to remember back in the 1960's early 1970's that
all local calls where free right here in South Africa.

Downside was that National & international where really
expensive.

However, with the technological improvements in international
and local connectivity, which allows for lower pricing since the
need for a very expensive deep sea copper cable with pressurised
systems to keep water out is not ans issue, the international cost has declined, although not nearly enough to make us competitive.

National is done mostly by microwave and should also be subject to
serious price cuts.

I don't mind paying prices that include a reasonable amount of
profit in order to pay for equipment upgrades and "<b>trained</b>"
staff, but, I take exception to having to pay inflated prices in
order to keep the fat cats rolling in money.

If at first you can't download, try and then try again...
 
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