iPhone for old Dad

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(cross-posted on carbonite with some minor changes to wording)

My 80-year-old dad has been rocking some Huawei P Smart that I got him about 6 years ago now and I really wanted to get him something newer for Christmas. He doesn't use much in the way of the phone features, partially because it is a smaller phone and he has big sausage-fingers. He's one of those geriatrics who is actually still pretty active - out and about doing the shopping, home repairs, various little DIY projects. Eyesight is pretty good after his cataracted lenses got replaced. Hearing is beginning to get suspect, but he keeps hand-waving it away because he's concerned about the price of hearing aides. He is not a technophobe or luddite, but his own biological CPU is clearly slowing down a bit on the "being able to learn new things" front. I did get him a PC upgrade this year that he has adapted well to in spite of having to get used to newer software like Windows 11.

I'm fairly certain all he uses his phone for are calls, texts and WhatsApp. He's suspicious of banking, he's suspicious of online shopping. I think he might occasionally find use in online browsing (probably Facebook). And I think he might use photo features if he had a phone with a camera that was worth a dang.

I told him he could have my old Redmi Note 10 Pro, which he seems amenable to. But I was also wondering if any MyBBers have advice here. I'm quite keen to get him into the Apple ecosystem as it really does seem to just be more intuitive, especially for older folks, and he could really benefit from things like airtags to find various misplaced items. There's also been recent news about being able to use their earbuds as hearing aids. But considering all I mentioned earlier, I'm not exactly keen to drop R20K+ on a device that he lands up using for texts, SMSes and Whatsapps and may drop or get filled with metal filings/sawdust.

How viable are older iphones? I'm talking ones approaching EOL, heck even ones that are officially no longer receiving OS updates. Could one of those devices still be safely used by someone who's not intending to use it for security-sensitive tasks like banking anyway (and what if his bank starts requiring app use - will an older device still be useable)? If the older devices are still okay for that kind of thing, how far back could I go with it? Since he has big hands, I'm thinking nothing earlier than the iPhone XR for display size, but would it be something he could reasonably still get years of use out of?

And if I were to get my mother on board, who makes more use of banking apps and such but would actually benefit from a much smaller phone, how far back could I safely go?

Speed is not relevant unless phone is unbearable to use (I can't imagine it can be much worse than a P Smart in 2024). Connectivity is relevant insofar as it needs to be at least capable of receiving current-era phone signals (I think it's all 4G and above now, but correct me if I'm wrong).

TL;DR: Want to get old dad newer phone. Ideally iphone. What is oldest iphone that is bigger than 6" I could get him that will still work for the next 5+ years? Android recommendations are not unwelcome (but I get this is an Apple-specific subforum here so not expecting that)
 
Having went through something similar, a iPhone XR would be a better buy I think but I’d recommend borrowing an iPhone and making the text huge and walking your dad through it.
He actually might just still prefer an Android since it’s familiar and in that space a Samsung A04 I think would be okay.

iPhone with AirPod Pro 2’s if we ever get the Hearing Aid functionality could also be a massive help for him I think.

:) Good luck
 
will an XR still get updates in 5 years? How about a 12?

XR is already out of support I think but still runs banking apps and WhatsApp etc.
12 would be the best but cost wise might not be ideal :/

What’s the budget OP?
 
XR is already out of support I think but still runs banking apps and WhatsApp etc.
12 would be the best but cost wise might not be ideal :/

What’s the budget OP?
Honestly no specific budget. It really depends on which older phones fit the bill and then looking at refurbished/2nd hand options. Yeah, maybe sounds a bit odd to do 2nd hand for Christmas presents but we don't mind that in my family.
 
The question here is how hard is your dad gonna p0esklap you for buying him an Apple product?

He uses Android for a reason.
He uses it because that's what he was given. I'm not honestly sure he'd even notice the difference considering the triad of applications he tends to use. Like he doesn't even use his gmail account at all, he literally just has it because a google account was needed for Android.

Going from one Android brand to another one can be as much of a shock as going from Android to Apple. My mother has literally rejected all her new phones because of it and insisted on buying a second version of one of her beloved old LGs with a stylus because nothing else meets her standards (the number of phones she has and the way she uses is like the set-up of a comic skit to be honest, not even gonna go into that here).

So yeah. It's a risk, hence why I'm trying to be cheap about it. If he hates it it's not like much money gets lost when buying and selling iphones like it does with the cheaper cellphone brands.

And maybe you're right. Maybe I just stick with the original plan and pass down my old Redmi. I'm just throwing around Christmas present ideas here.
 
He uses it because that's what he was given. I'm not honestly sure he'd even notice the difference considering the triad of applications he tends to use. Like he doesn't even use his gmail account at all, he literally just has it because a google account was needed for Android.

Going from one Android brand to another one can be as much of a shock as going from Android to Apple. My mother has literally rejected all her new phones because of it and insisted on buying a second version of one of her beloved old LGs with a stylus because nothing else meets her standards (the number of phones she has and the way she uses is like the set-up of a comic skit to be honest, not even gonna go into that here).

So yeah. It's a risk, hence why I'm trying to be cheap about it. If he hates it it's not like much money gets lost when buying and selling iphones like it does with the cheaper cellphone brands.

And maybe you're right. Maybe I just stick with the original plan and pass down my old Redmi. I'm just throwing around Christmas present ideas here.

Carb iPhone 11s and some 12’s are cheap as chips at the moment and can be resold easily if you end up not using it.
Give it a try and see.
 
Yes it’s not like android where apps support old versions forever.
Android doesn't really support old versions forever. I recall WhatsApp ditching support for some of the older versions of Android at one point and some people I knew having a bit of a hissy fit over it since they were still using such old phones.

But this is exactly what I wanted to know. Just how much support can one expect? Sources online have often said people can comfortably use their old iPhones and apps well beyond EOL, but I don't know to what point that's actually true. So if getting an iPhone 11 now means losing support for apps before 2030, then that's a no-go (maybe I'm being optimistic here that he's still going to be around in 5 years, but I reckon an update every 5-6 years is as much as I can get him to accept).
 
Carb iPhone 11s and some 12’s are cheap as chips at the moment and can be resold easily if you end up not using it.
Give it a try and see.
Yeah this is exactly why I'm particularly interested in some of those older models. Just wanted to check in with others with more experience on whether I'm likely to get what I'm looking for in terms of something that will give an old man a good 5 years or so of phone use. I do worry slightly that this whole "use airpods as hearing aids" thing is going to land up being, like, an iPhone 15+ feature... but I get the sense cheaper/accessible hearing aid functionality is going to become more common with in-ears in general in the coming years so not toooooo hung up on that.

I'll certainly mull it over.
 
Android doesn't really support old versions forever. I recall WhatsApp ditching support for some of the older versions of Android at one point and some people I knew having a bit of a hissy fit over it since they were still using such old phones.

But this is exactly what I wanted to know. Just how much support can one expect? Sources online have often said people can comfortably use their old iPhones and apps well beyond EOL, but I don't know to what point that's actually true. So if getting an iPhone 11 now means losing support for apps before 2030, then that's a no-go (maybe I'm being optimistic here that he's still going to be around in 5 years, but I reckon an update every 5-6 years is as much as I can get him to accept).
The 13 I linked will still get support for years. Will be the best bet.
 
Netflix already dropped support for pre iOS 17.
That's actually nuts. Though I know Netflix in particular would not be a concern to my father, it is... concerning nonetheless. I feel like there needs to be more legal oversight on companies doing this. Can't imagine the amount of e-waste it must generate when perfectly good iPads can't be used to do something as mundane as watch netflix series anymore.
 
Well it depends on your budget. I would say get a iPhone 12, they go for around 6.5k on Carbonite, You can go 2k cheaper for iPhone 11's. But since it seems you want him to keep it for a long time, the never one you could get will be best just for in case of support.

Thats said, my son is still using my iPhone SE from 2016. I does not get IOS updates, but still gets security updates and everything like Whatsapp is still working.

You should also factor in your budget a battery replacement at iStore, not some dodgy shop.
 
That's actually nuts. Though I know Netflix in particular would not be a concern to my father, it is... concerning nonetheless. I feel like there needs to be more legal oversight on companies doing this. Can't imagine the amount of e-waste it must generate when perfectly good iPads can't be used to do something as mundane as watch netflix series anymore.
We have perfectly fine Samsung Tablet, that also cant do Netflix anymore.
 
Concur with the advice of the others - go for a 12 or 13

I upgraded my Mom from a X to a 12 and she's very happy with it (I've left it on iOS 17 for the time being - get's all the security updates and is rock solid - also means that she doesn't have to deal with any "newfangled" changes that comes with iOS 18)

By the way, good call on switching them to the Apple ecosystem - we switched my Mom* a couple of years ago (Samsung) and the "support" burden on me (after the short initial learning curve for her) went down by 95 percent - before we switched her it would be phone calls every week to deal with phone related issues.

Eish, it was actually quite a mission to switch her 'cos she initially HATED the camera on the iPhone X and complained for weeks that "my old Samsung took much better photos than this iPhone". Now of course you'd have to pry the iPhone out of her hands with a crowbar because "it just works and doesn't give me problems like my old Samsung used to"


* similar usage profile as your parents, Whatsapp; phone calls; Facebook; Instagram; Photos; etc
 
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