iPhoto / Yosemite problems

[Grant]

upgrade from mavericks to yosemite had rendered iphoto useless (more so than before).
photos app is unable to open / access the 300gb iphoto library file.
i am lead to believe iphoto 9.5.1 and above is compatible with yosemite

any suggestions as what to use instead of iphoto ?

 

[vinodh]

Delete any traces of iPhoto from your Mac. Meaning, delete iPhoto, delete any aliases (shortcuts) to iPhoto and empty the Trash just in case there's something there. Then download a new version of iPhoto (9.6.1) from the Purchases list on the Mac App Store.

Another option would be to download a trial version of Aperture from somewhere, install it, and then upgrade it for free via the Mac App Store. You will then get a free, genuine version of Aperture that should keep you going for a while yet until Apple update the Photos app to a more useable level.

 

[Space_Chief]

I don't have these issues because I still run Snow Leopard on one machine and Mt Lion on another.

 

[PostmanPot]

Delete any traces of iPhoto from your Mac. Meaning, delete iPhoto, delete any aliases (shortcuts) to iPhoto and empty the Trash just in case there's something there. Then download a new version of iPhoto (9.6.1) from the Purchases list on the Mac App Store.

+1

I don't have these issues because I still run Snow Leopard on one machine and Mt Lion on another.

Why?

 

[bwana]

upgrade from mavericks to yosemite had rendered iphoto useless (more so than before).
photos app is unable to open / access the 300gb iphoto library file.
i am lead to believe iphoto 9.5.1 and above is compatible with yosemite

any suggestions as what to use instead of iphoto ?

As mentioned Yosemite rendered iPhoto versions prior to 9.6.1 inoperable (the application icon will appear to be greyed out) so update that first.

That said 300gb is a lot to expect iPhoto to handle. I don't even let me Aperture libraries get even close to that. Much of the bloat is due to the clumsy way iPhoto duplicates the original file when you edit it so maybe have a look at something like http://www.iphotobuddy.com.

Oh, and if you're looking for a DAM application to organise your files have a look at Perfect Browse 9 - it's really fast but you will need an editing application like Photoshop or Affinity Photo (currently a free beta and a very good photo editor) - best of all PB9 is currently free!

 

[Grant]

@bwana

you use aperture right ?
various fields of metadata is pretty important for some sets of photos, i've been told aperture is pretty good in this regard - is this correct ?

 

[bwana]

@bwana

you use aperture right ?
various fields of metadata is pretty important for some sets of photos, i've been told aperture is pretty good in this regard - is this correct ?

Yeah - I'm heavily invested in Aperture which is while I'll probably be on Yosemite for a long time to come. Like iPhoto though Aperture has been removed from the app store and is only available for previous owners.

If you let me know which aspects of the metadata is important to you I might be able to point you in the right direction.

 

[Space_Chief]

+1



Why?

Because one machine cannot officially (without work arounds) run anything higher - yet is still competitively fast enough, the other I can't be bothered with. Why fix what works? Security updates still come out for Mt Lion. Also run previous iOS ver on iPad.

 

[PostmanPot]

Because one machine cannot officially (without work arounds) run anything higher - yet is still competitively fast enough, the other I can't be bothered with. Why fix what works? Security updates still come out for Mt Lion. Also run previous iOS ver on iPad.

So the one machine is pre 2007/2008?

I find not updating to the latest OS X and iOS quite bizarre, but understand that we all have different needs/uses.

 

[Space_Chief]

So the one machine is pre 2007/2008?

I find not updating to the latest OS X and iOS quite bizarre, but understand that we all have different needs/uses.

Yup. The quad core Xeon is fast enough to run Yosemite but can't. It's a big f-you from Apple. I run Firefox, have an AV running and did things like BASH security updates manually.

I don't find the concept of leaving alone what works bizarre at all. I find the concept of following marketing hype bizarre myself. Especially people who wipe everything and do fresh installs each time. I have a pragmatic approach to this stuff, I guess.

Even when I upgraded my rMBP 15's SSD from 256GB to 1TB I just cloned the Macintosh HD and recovery partitions. Everything works OK.

The last time I updated iOS I lost at least one apps' IAPs. It was about $25 worth of purchases Apple would not re-credit me. The app stopped working and a new version was needed.

 

[PostmanPot]

Yup. The quad core Xeon is fast enough to run Yosemite but can't. It's a big f-you from Apple. I run Firefox, have an AV running and did things like BASH security updates manually.

I don't find the concept of leaving alone what works bizarre at all. I find the concept of following marketing hype bizarre myself. Especially people who wipe everything and do fresh installs each time. I have a pragmatic approach to this stuff, I guess.

Even when I upgraded my rMBP 15's SSD from 256GB to 1TB I just cloned the Macintosh HD and recovery partitions. Everything works OK.

The last time I updated iOS I lost at least one apps' IAPs. It was about $25 worth of purchases Apple would not re-credit me. The app stopped working and a new version was needed.

While I understand your needs are fulfilled, there's a whole lot you're missing out on. Same with older vs newer iOS.

 

[Space_Chief]

While I understand your needs are fulfilled, there's a whole lot you're missing out on. Same with older vs newer iOS.

What am I missing out on OSX and IOS? Not having to fix Apples' problems or third party incompatibility issues?
I do know that even if I could update the desktop to the latest OS X I'd have to repurchase at least some of the software on that thing - I think over $1000 worth = PS and FCP and plugins.

 

[PostmanPot]

What am I missing out on OSX and IOS?

All of the improvements and additions which newer operating systems bring.

If you're merely using the OS in order to run apps, i.e. your reliance is 95%+ on apps, I completely understand your position, as mentioned.

 

[Space_Chief]

All of the improvements and additions which newer operating systems bring.

Such as? Better memory management? I don't run out of memory. Speed? The thing is fast enough. Backward compatibility - nope, that's not Apple.

If you're merely using the OS in order to run apps, i.e. your reliance is 95%+ on apps, I completely understand your position, as mentioned.

I use computers to get stuff done. Surely the operating systems only function is to run application software efficiently and effectively. At the end one uses a computer to run applications? No?

 

[PostmanPot]

Such as? Better memory management? I don't run out of memory. Speed? The thing is fast enough. Backward compatibility - nope, that's not Apple.

Not necessarily, new features like iPhone integration, which you wouldn't have on older devices anyway. I don't disagree with you so am not inclined to provide more examples.

I use computers to get stuff done. Surely the operating systems only function is to run application software efficiently and effectively. At the end one uses a computer to run applications? No?

Yes, that is mostly what it's about, however there are improvements in newer versions which I like. I'm perfectly fine that you see no need for it.

 

[Space_Chief]

Ok, I'm just skeptical that for many people, if not most, most of this is pretty much marketing hype. Apple is the richest company around they did not get that way on mere sound engineering, they did a lot of marketing too. Are some features handy? Sure if you meet particular conditions. Are they worth upgrading over and risking incompatibility issues and downtime? That's where everyone will differ, I guess. Apple at the end wants to sell us more stuff.

 

[vinodh]

I've been using OS X since Snow Leopard. The various OS updates since then has given me very few features that I find indispensable. I can easily go back to Snow Leopard and still get to do everything I need to do.

I still prefer the old versions of iMovie and iWork. The current versions seem like WordPad versus MS Word: stripped down and over simplified.

An upgrade, according to me, is only an upgrade if it retains all the features of the previous version and adds additional features.

 

[Grant]

aaaaand so it begins

downloaded and installed iphoto 9.6.1 - error message - iphoto needs to be updated to the latest version (which 9.6.1 is).
run software update - no later version available.
i then discover that the very latest updated version of yosemite will not accept any version of iphoto, only option is to downgrade yosemite to an earlier version.

so, i figure i'll boot the machine from a clone backup i took of the drive prior to the mavericks > yosemite upgrade, thinking i'll run iphoto from there and copy the various albums / folders to a different ext drive, boot back into yosemite and allow photos to create a new library and import the various album folders.
boot into mavericks from the ext drive.
try to run iphoto - error - iphoto needs to be updated to the latest version.
run software update > no update available.

download iphoto (various versions from between 9.3 and 9.5.2)
delete existing version of iphoto and try install 9.3 - error message, iphoto needs v9.1 to perform this update.

remove all traces of 9.3 and install 9.1, try run it - error message - iphoto needs latest version . . . .
run software update - no update available.



essentially, when trying to have photos import the existing iphoto library, photos gets to about 10%, freezes, and throws out an error message regards permissions.
i have run disk utility on all drives, verifying permissions - no errors.
i also saw a post somewhere advising setting permissions on the ext drive containing the iphoto library to "ignore ownership on this volume"

alas - nothing helps

 

[bwana]

aaaaand so it begins

downloaded and installed iphoto 9.6.1 - error message - iphoto needs to be updated to the latest version (which 9.6.1 is).

Just to be clear - you've deleted iPhoto from your applications folder and then downloaded/installed the latest version of iPhoto from the app store?

 

[Grant]

Just to be clear - you've deleted iPhoto from your applications folder and then downloaded/installed the latest version of iPhoto from the app store?

therein lies the rub
no matter which version of iphoto started up, there was always a message saying it could not be used with the current os and must be updated.
on every occasion, app store said there was no update.
i downloaded the various versions via torrent, and 2 versions were available for download on apple's website.
in total 7 differnet versions were downloaded.

but indeed, prior to each install, the existing version was deleted and trash was emptied before attempting an upgrade to a newer version.


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i have however resolved my issue with the iphoto library.
sent someone to my house to fetch another mbp, one that had a matching iphoto version originally used to created the library.
connected the ext drive containing the library, pointed the working version of iphoto to the library on the ext drive (that i could not previously access), and am now busy exporting the albums / events so they can be used by another application - any damn one besides iphoto / or photos