Is a GPON really necessary?

[Big Destroyer]

I just want to ask out of curiosity, I got currently a OpenServe line for Fibre and got Frogfoot coverage too. I know Frogfoot and OpenServe both use GPONs to convert the fiber to copper before you plug in your router, though are they really necessary. I mean if I were to have a MikroTik router with a SFP port cant you use it directly with a SFP port?

 

[Rickster]

I just want to ask out of curiosity, I got currently a OpenServe line for Fibre and got Frogfoot coverage too. I know Frogfoot and OpenServe both use GPONs to convert the fiber to copper before you plug in your router, though are they really necessary. I mean if I were to have a MikroTik router with a SFP port cant you use it directly with a SFP port?

I think you are confusing GPON with FTTC, which isnt really provided in SA.

GPON and Active Ethernet are the ways the Fibre is split up in at the node if i can recall.

Im sure you could plug the fibre into your SFP port, dont think the CPE has any real config on it.

 

[itareanlnotani]

You can get gpon sfp transceivers, but not likely that your provider will like it or provide any support.

You'll need the LOID from the provider, at the very least. Possibly also the PPPoE details if they also use that.

 

[Big Destroyer]

You can get gpon sfp transceivers, but not likely that your provider will like it or provide any support.

You'll need the LOID from the provider, at the very least. Possibly also the PPPoE details if they also use that.

What do you mean the LOID? The provider does use PPPoE yes and I already use it on my router with the GPON

 

[Geoff.D]

What do you mean the LOID? The provider does use PPPoE yes and I already use it on my router with the GPON

You have pretty large knowledge gap about these things.
Go and do some research before you dig the hole you are in any deeper.

 

[itareanlnotani]

What do you mean the LOID? The provider does use PPPoE yes and I already use it on my router with the GPON

LOID is an auth mechanism that could be used by the ONT and the Headend.
Another method is to use the serial of the ONT.

I haven't had fibre here yet, so I don't know what the local setup is like.

 

[charlieharper]

Hmmm.. absolutely 0 copper here on my aerial fibre line via Openserve.

Perhaps a little bit of copper around the fibre in the backhaul pipe that acts as a protection layer, but no data being transfered on that copper.

It's fibre optic all the way till it reaches my ONT in the house.

Don't know if ethernet cables contain copper, but that's mostly all short distances ( < 100m)

 

[deweyzeph]

I think you are confusing GPON with FTTC, which isnt really provided in SA.

FTTC is most definitely used in SA. Most of Telkom's VDSL services are FTTC. It's fibre to the cabinet and then VDSL via copper to the premises.

You absolutely cannot use your own SPF transceiver with any fibre provider in SA. All SA fibre providers terminate using a provisioned ONT device which is provisioned on their network via serial number. You cannot terminate your fibre connection to your own equipment. At best it won't work, at worst you might damage their networking equipment.

 

[Big Destroyer]

You have pretty large knowledge gap about these things.
Go and do some research before you dig the hole you are in any deeper.

I might understand a few concepts on the fiber end wrong hence my question. I meant the GPON as the Huawei device OpenServe give to convert the fiber to ethernet. From the ethernet I do have a router already making a PPPoE connection

 

[Big Destroyer]

My main question is if you can bypass the Huawei GPON device

 

[Rickster]

FTTC is most definitely used in SA. Most of Telkom's VDSL services are FTTC. It's fibre to the cabinet and then VDSL via copper to the premises.

We not talking about xDSL are we?

 

[charlieharper]

My main question is if you can bypass the Huawei GPON device

In my case it's a Nokia ONT.. but the answer is no. It's all managed by the FNO.

 

[charlieharper]

I might understand a few concepts on the fiber end wrong hence my question. I meant the GPON as the Huawei device OpenServe give to convert the fiber to ethernet. From the ethernet I do have a router already making a PPPoE connection

Okay, so it's not GPON.
You are referring to the ONT.

 

[charlieharper]

GPON stands for Gigabit Passive Optical Network, which is not a device, but rather a strategy in network design.

 

[Polymathic]

If there's copper involve then its VDSL.

 

[Rickster]

Okay, so it's not GPON.
You are referring to the ONT.

GPON stands for Gigabit Passive Optical Network, which is not a device, but rather a strategy in network design.

Correct, GPON is just a type of topology for a fibre network.

ONT/CPE is the physical device the fibre connects to, and yes, there is a removable SFP inside the ONT. Well in my one there is. (not correcting you, just adding info for the OP.

 

[Big Destroyer]

Correct, GPON is just a type of topology for a fibre network.

ONT/CPE is the physical device the fibre connects to, and yes, there is a removable SFP inside the ONT. Well in my one there is. (not correcting you, just adding info for the OP.

thanks, I suppose you are correct I interchanged GPON with ONT. In my ONT its a built in connector, cant disconnect the SFP module as there is none

 

[Rickster]

thanks, I suppose you are correct I interchanged GPON with ONT. In my ONT its a built in connector, cant disconnect the SFP module as there is none

Im curious, what settings are under the SFP port in your mikrotik?

Also using the providers ONT wont hinder the speed in any way compared to a Mikrotik, you will get your gigabit speed if thats what you order. Unless the actual infrastructure or equipment is faulty.

 

[supersunbird]

thanks, I suppose you are correct I interchanged GPON with ONT. In my ONT its a built in connector, cant disconnect the SFP module as there is none

What are you hoping to accomplish by taking the ONT out of the picture?

 

[Big Destroyer]

What are you hoping to accomplish by taking the ONT out of the picture?

Simplifying the network by preventing additional hardware that can be eliminated, otherwise there is no other goal