Is Black Friday Dev Salaries a thing?! LOOOL

[warrenpridgeon]

Saw this on a FB group...

Apparently this person is expecting Black Friday salaries for Devs... This salary is crazy low for everything listed in the "spec".

Don't be like this.

 

[RedViking]

Don't worry that position will be available every year in January.

 

[marbro]

Will be adjusted after successful completion of the first project

To R16500.......

 

[Herr der Verboten]

OP needs help/hug?

 

[blaaislaai]

They don't mention experience needed.
Assuming Junior, straight out of college.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

OP needs help/hug?

Me? Always. LOL.

I also want devs to come work for me for R16k a month. XD

 

[Praemon]

"Full-stack", ie. they expect you to do the job of 3 people.

 

[RedViking]

Me? Always. LOL.

I also want devs to come work for me for R16k a month. XD

How much do you pay yourself a month ?

 

[warrenpridgeon]

They don't mention experience needed.
Assuming Junior, straight out of college.

Perhaps...

But that's a crazy list of things for a junior/straight out of college. No junior/out of college person is going to be able to work on all that kind of stuff... not successfully.

Expecting a junior to work on that entire stack is just setting them up for failure.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

How much do you pay yourself a month ?

Not enough... but also somehow enough. I've kept my family fed and a roof over our heads since 2016.

 

[RedViking]

Perhaps...

But that's a crazy list of things for a junior/straight out of college. No junior/out of college person is going to be able to work on all that kind of stuff... not successfully.

Expecting a junior to work on that entire stack is just setting them up for failure.

Meh, just use AI. "Full stack" Devs are overrated.

/runs

 

[blaaislaai]

Perhaps...

But that's a crazy list of things for a junior/straight out of college. No junior/out of college person is going to be able to work on all that kind of stuff... not successfully.

Expecting a junior to work on that entire stack is just setting them up for failure.

True.
No junior will have experience in those tech stacks either.

I suppose that's where AI comes in to help out.

 

[saor]

OP needs help/hug?

We all do.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

Meh, just use AI. "Full stack" Devs are overrated.

/runs

EASY CLAPS CHAPS! LOL.

New jobs:
- AI Orchestrator
- AI Conductor
- AI Prompt Engineer
- AI Guru
- AI Ninja (be careful either all your fruit is getting sliced by a bot or you end up with a good AI Dev)
- AI Rockstar (another danger, you might end up on Spotify top listens list with this ... employee ... or with a bot that snorts coke... lol)

 

[FiestaST]

Sies man

 

[RedViking]

EASY CLAPS CHAPS! LOL.

New jobs:
- AI Orchestrator
- AI Conductor
- AI Prompt Engineer
- AI Guru
- AI Ninja (be careful either all your fruit is getting sliced by a bot or you end up with a good AI Dev)
- AI Rockstar (another danger, you might end up on Spotify top listens list with this ... employee ... or with a bot that snorts coke... lol)

That's sounds amazing, actually.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

True.
No junior will have experience in those tech stacks either.

I suppose that's where AI comes in to help out.

This is also the reality of what the employment landscape very often looks like these days.

"We want someone to basically cover 3 roles... but we aren't going to pay what that amount of value is actually worth".
This is why I'm currently running myself ragged in my business... because I am not going to exploit people for my gain.

In the past I've had full time and part time employees... I've paid them more than they asked for.

I've been exploited before.
There's a few things I don't like about employers and the dev industry:
- Give us your last 3 payslips easily traps people in the undervalued camp...
SURE from the "it's business" perspective it sounds good on paper because a resource that SHOULD cost you R65k a month is only costing you R35k because they've been trapped in the cycle of "current salary +10% when moving"... but I can't bring myself to do that... which is why I've been SLOOOOOW AF at growing my company.
- We want you to cover 3 roles for the 75% pay of 1 role


Edit: my english broke because I've slept very little this week. LOL. So now I'm rambling like a looney.

 

[RedViking]

Sies man

If you one of the 40% unemployed, a job is a job. Fake it till you make it.

 

[RedViking]

Edit: my english broke because I've slept very little this week. LOL. So now I'm rambling like a looney.

And you are probably on the spectrum like the rest of us.

Use AI for the English.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

If you one of the 40% unemployed, a job is a job. Fake it till you make it.

The sad reality is that many companies will exploit this. People end up putting up with stuff they shouldn't need to be cause jobs are scarce.

I've seen many discussions of "I'm having this kak situation at work" or "I'm being victimised at work" or "treated unfairly".
Obviously all of these are super subjective. The answer given is often "take em to CCMA, you will get cash". That's not always an option... especially if you are someone with narrow or no skills because you end up "blackballed" in your industry or out of a job when they "constructively dismiss" you by making your job SOOO kak you end up resigning.