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Once you get off dial-up, 30GB is nothingChristiaan said:Holy ****! I cannot possibly imagine using 100GB nevermind 30GB!
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DigitalSoldier
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Try explaining that to telkom/IS
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Yeah the bandwidth limits are a bit limiting but....
1. Who are you to complain when you essentially got 50GB-60GB extra for free? It's a very bad attitude to have.
2. I have it on good authority that many people were abusing the service (yes BLAME YOURSELFS you BT/DC++ chappies) so that's why they're enforcing a cap. Yes it doesn't cost a lot but it still costs them something.
3. You're getting what u paid for now. Why all the constant whinging?
1. Who are you to complain when you essentially got 50GB-60GB extra for free? It's a very bad attitude to have.
2. I have it on good authority that many people were abusing the service (yes BLAME YOURSELFS you BT/DC++ chappies) so that's why they're enforcing a cap. Yes it doesn't cost a lot but it still costs them something.
3. You're getting what u paid for now. Why all the constant whinging?
DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
@dominic i am grateful that i got the few extra gigs for free but they could have given us a warning long before 1st of april and remember the downloads were on behalf of the people 
Moederloos
Honorary Master
DigitalSoldier said:@dominic i am grateful that i got the few extra gigs for free but they could have given us a warning long before 1st of april and remember the downloads were on behalf of the people
Yeah. We do not download for personal gain, rather we download so as to have different repositories of human achievements. After all, what would happen if a tsunami wiped out half the world and with it half of the knowledge of mankind.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Dominic Rooney said:
1. It is not a bad attitude to have at all. Your attitude is what is costing us and south africa. Whilst you may well be happy to sit back and take whatever is given to you, there are many out there who are not satisfied with the poor standard of telecommunication in this country and want to see something done about it.
2. If they didnt want it to be 'abused' then why on earth were they not hard-capping from day one? What did they expect to happen?
3. All the constant whinging is because the uncapped local was IMHO one of the few bastions of decent internet capablilities left to us and now it gone.
ettubrute
Expert Member
hj, to react on your first point, I'm definitely not costing you or SA! Out of principle I refuse to pay the ADSL line rental, and therefore I'm still on dial-up, which I pay for, and get exactly what I pay for...
The people screwing themselves, us and SA are the goons that get the latest, fastest and best available options regardless of the price they have to pay, just to have it! And don't tell me you need it! That's BS! With my dial-up connection I still manage to drive a very successful IT business, including web stuff!
And now, when ISPs clamp down on people using more than what they pay for, you start whining! Remember, what counts for them, counts for you! They steal from you when you use less bandwidth than your cap, and you steal from them when you use more! So, you're trying to fight greed/crime with the same? Catch a wake-up!
The people screwing themselves, us and SA are the goons that get the latest, fastest and best available options regardless of the price they have to pay, just to have it! And don't tell me you need it! That's BS! With my dial-up connection I still manage to drive a very successful IT business, including web stuff!
And now, when ISPs clamp down on people using more than what they pay for, you start whining! Remember, what counts for them, counts for you! They steal from you when you use less bandwidth than your cap, and you steal from them when you use more! So, you're trying to fight greed/crime with the same? Catch a wake-up!
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
ettubrute said:
Wow. Wish i had time to respond to this fully now but i am on my way out...
Lets see what i can do....
I can see that u are not costing us at all as u are on dialup, which is why i was directing my complaint at dominic and his whole attitude towards bad service in this country.
I disagree wholly with ur usage of 'stealing' in this context but to argue semantics at this stage will only detract from the actual argument that is before us.
I see it like this. People who were using in excess of their cap were obviously torrenting. A lot. Now they cannot. So they are upset. I am one of these people.
Then there are people like you and dominic who obviosuly dont use the net for downloading hardly at all, which is fine if thats what u wanna do with it.
But allow us to whine if a service that we made good use of, is taken away from us. Whether or not we knew it was going to happen at some stage, is a moot point.
I cannot justify spending R560 a month without using it for downloads. That much just for browsing is pushing it. And i know that 30 gigs is still a lot of data when it comes to south african 'broadband' but it still screws the torrenting community, which is vast, royally.
This is all i have time for now...I shall return!
///me wishes me had used more italics like u did ettu...
KillerX
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Also remember that with torrents alot of uploading contributes to your cap. Most sites try to encourage a 1:1 download/upload ratio. Meaning at the end of the day, you are only getting about 15 gigs. Which is really nothing.
We seem to be getting less and less lately. From 30 gig intl, to 3 gig, to 3 gig with no local access after cap.
Telkom's "magic capping system" is giving less and less (I think the average now is 15 gigs a month). And now IS capping at 30 gigs as well!
I dunno how people can say things are getting better for broadband in SA.
We seem to be getting less and less lately. From 30 gig intl, to 3 gig, to 3 gig with no local access after cap.
Telkom's "magic capping system" is giving less and less (I think the average now is 15 gigs a month). And now IS capping at 30 gigs as well!
I dunno how people can say things are getting better for broadband in SA.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
hj2k_x said:
It is a bad attitude. You're getting extra GB's for FREE and now you're whinging. Ag shame. Can't get everything for free now? Really have no time for P2P/BT/DC++ users who think everything should be for free. And since we use the car analogy alot for the capping, your extra GB's are basically like free petrol.
2. They'd think 30GB is adequate, which in most cases is (home use). They probably ignorant about people who download 24/7 just for the sake of it.
3. You abuse, you lose.
Dominic Rooney said:
(1).Dominic Clearly you dont do much but hang aroung forumz, hence the dislike for P2P and your status on this site.
(lol) Master Yoda(2).30GB is not adequate especially if you are streaming which Telkom is looking at. Some business's use way beyond that, mine included.
(3).There is no so such thing as "free". In accordance to international standards we should be paying a fixed price with unlimited "free" international bandwidth, nevermind local.
What people choose to do with thier bandwidth is firstly got stuff all to do with you and I think I speak for alot of people when I say that your opnion wasnt asked for in the first place.
You cant justify any limited hard cap for local no matter how much you try, its a rip off.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it....
The way you carry on I am sure you are a Telscum share holder.... protecting your investment are we?.
Dont worry, you can have a full go at me and I wont respond because I have better things to do than hang around forums....
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Keenyn said:(1).Dominic Clearly you dont do much but hang aroung forumz, hence the dislike for P2P and your status on this site.
(2).30GB is not adequate especially if you are streaming which Telkom is looking at. Some business's use way beyond that, mine included.
(3).There is no so such thing as "free". In accordance to international standards we should be paying a fixed price with unlimited "free" international bandwidth, nevermind local.
What people choose to do with thier bandwidth is firstly got stuff all to do with you and I think I speak for alot of people when I say that your opnion wasnt asked for in the first place.
You cant justify any limited hard cap for local no matter how much you try, its a rip off.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it....
The way you carry on I am sure you are a Telscum share holder.... protecting your investment are we?.
Dont worry, you can have a full go at me and I wont respond because I have better things to do than hang around forums....
and i didnt even have to reply...
ettubrute
Expert Member
Well, mebe you'll reply to this one?
One of the reasons for being on dial-up is that it costs me less than ADSL's line-rental, let alone ISP costs on top of that! And, like stated, I still get my work done, albeit slower than you! But, regardless of the amount of data, I pay only R9 a night! So, how on earth do you justify a limited service for R560?
So, why do you spend it in the first place?hj said:
One of the reasons for being on dial-up is that it costs me less than ADSL's line-rental, let alone ISP costs on top of that! And, like stated, I still get my work done, albeit slower than you! But, regardless of the amount of data, I pay only R9 a night! So, how on earth do you justify a limited service for R560?
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Keenyn said:(1).Dominic Clearly you dont do much but hang aroung forumz, hence the dislike for P2P and your status on this site.
(2).30GB is not adequate especially if you are streaming which Telkom is looking at. Some business's use way beyond that, mine included.
(3).There is no so such thing as "free". In accordance to international standards we should be paying a fixed price with unlimited "free" international bandwidth, nevermind local.
What people choose to do with thier bandwidth is firstly got stuff all to do with you and I think I speak for alot of people when I say that your opnion wasnt asked for in the first place.
You cant justify any limited hard cap for local no matter how much you try, its a rip off.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it....
The way you carry on I am sure you are a Telscum share holder.... protecting your investment are we?.
Dont worry, you can have a full go at me and I wont respond because I have better things to do than hang around forums....
1. Everyone knows what people do. Shame you'll have to pay for it for once in your life.
2. Yes but they haven't implemented streaming yet. Once they get to that stage, they'll obviously have to re-look the cap situation. At this moment in time 30GB is adequate for home users who don't download 24/7.
3. You didn't pay extra for the additional GB's = no cost = free.
Yes the situation sucks but you're missing the point. You're complaining about being capped at 30GB, which in accordance to the original contract you signed is correct. The additional GB's were nice freebies but then you shouldn't complain as they were freebies.
Actually yes I don't care what you do but the fact remains the additional GB's weren't stipulated in the original contract and therefore your complaining is a case of crying over spilled milk
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hj2k_x
Honorary Master
ettubrute said:Well, mebe you'll reply to this one?
So, why do you spend it in the first place?
I spend it so that i can download things. Dialup for me was a nightmare- constant disconnects, terrible speeds, and it went on for like 5 years after which point i could stomach no more and moved to dsl.
I cannot justify a limited service for R560!! That is what i am complaining about!!
ettubrute
Expert Member
Yeah, but you're complaining about something you signed for!
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
ettubrute said:Yeah, but you're complaining about something you signed for!
Yes, we all knew we were signing on to the possibility of it being implemented sometime in the future, but with telecommunications suppossedly being improved in this country and law and caps becoming less strict, we all lived in the hope that this day would never come.
Now that it has i dont understand your confusion as to why so many people are complaining about it? It really does make a big difference....
ettubrute
Expert Member
I'm not confused about the crap being given to you from IS/teklom. What does confuse me, is why you complain about something that you expected?
What did you expect? ICASA and DoC coming around to our view of things before the **** hit the fan? Sorry, budby, but remember you're living in Africa... and that the only thing those people are worried about is their salaries! And I hate it as much as you do!
Be constructive: write an email to IS, outlining your complaint, and threatening them with a massive consumer boycot... then go out and get the other IS consumers together, and start boycotting! (Just a pity it won't work, seeing the apathy of the general SA cunsumers...)
What did you expect? ICASA and DoC coming around to our view of things before the **** hit the fan? Sorry, budby, but remember you're living in Africa... and that the only thing those people are worried about is their salaries! And I hate it as much as you do!
Be constructive: write an email to IS, outlining your complaint, and threatening them with a massive consumer boycot... then go out and get the other IS consumers together, and start boycotting! (Just a pity it won't work, seeing the apathy of the general SA cunsumers...)
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
ettubrute said:
I see. Now i understand at least a little better. I did not expect it to happen. I knew it was always a possibility but after getting +90 gigs in two consecutive months i was just hoping that it would never happen.
I am all for doing something constructive but the very attiitude reflected by fellow forumites which has got me so upset just shows me that it would be pointless. Most people are just like " oh well ,ya that sucks, guess i'll have to buy another account or two every month then."
Now the fact that this is financially not viable for me is besides the point. It just goes to show that no matter what isps and telkom do to people in south africa, even the more enlightened readers of this forum, they will still come back for more, still pay more , and in so doing contribute to the problem of DSL and telecommuincations here in south africa!