Is there a future in IT?

So how many of you will bank with a bank that stores everything on someone else's computer?
 
Sinbad said:
So how many of you will bank with a bank that stores everything on someone else's computer?
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The chances of you finding a bank that actually does this is ZERO. They're like 20 years behind on the tech front...
 
HavocXphere said:
The chances of you finding a bank that actually does this is ZERO. They're like 20 years behind on the tech front...
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I know this. I am talking hypothetically, given how people here seem to be advocating someone else's computer as the future of IT.
 
Sinbad said:
I know this. I am talking hypothetically, given how people here seem to be advocating someone else's computer as the future of IT.
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Well I wouldn't mind for a smaller account but I'd certainly not store significant money there.
 
In terms of IT infrastructure, banks and pharmaceutical type companies are quite static in terms of software requirements and tend to open up in already developed areas. So outsourcing works quite well here. Large construction firms on the other hand work with a myriad of engineering applications, move around a lot (Always signing new contracts with evolving requirements) and often have IT requirements in areas not so well developed. Outsourcing can be a disaster here.

There is no one size fits all :)
 
I think from my viewpoint what is mostly dead or dying is distribution. They are sitting in a position where they need to change their entire business model, it is no longer about moving tin but more around offering B2B solutions. Thankfully I am working out my last 3 weeks in the distribution game and I am moving on to a smaller OEM intergrator building IaaS solutions for the security industry. The potential is tremendous and at least in this industry there is ample jobs for talented "Techies" who actually know how to troubleshoot instead of just being a parts swapper.
 
TheGuy said:
IT is changing its not going away, just keep yourself relevant and you will be ok. I'm actually glad Hardware is going away for most companies. The focus going forward I suspect will be more to translate business requirements into technical specifications, much more exciting then worrying about a server hardware failing or trying to keep an Exchange server patched.
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Oh really...easier said than done. You work in your main fields, waste your time and money on courses etc to stay in touch with other technologies. And when you apply, you don't have 5 -10 years experience. And when you're older in this country you are out no matter how relevant you are. there is another thread on this in Software & Web development. And thats why so many people with bigger investments, working many years and have skills/finance are leaving. I know MSCE over 50, can't find work. A Freelancer now. And there are requirements in his line.
As for cloud , I doubt that many big corporates are going to put confidential data into the cloud. Want to see banks take their shyteload of data into the cloud. MS can't even handle some of their data.
 
Sinbad said:
So how many of you will bank with a bank that stores everything on someone else's computer?
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Guess you missed the conference...

I believe...
BCX said Standard is making use of their cloud
Amazon mentioned they helping a big Australian Bank move into their cloud
MS Guys said the Banks have already started the process of moving their Exchange, Lync and Sharepoint to Office 365 with some considering Azure

The shift is already happening and the company that spends millions on their own hardware, software and staff will have to pass on that costs to their clients, so if you competitor comes in with lower prices, greater flexibility and better reliability then Business will be forced to consider the Risk versus Profit...
 
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Necropolis said:
As long as their infrastructure passes a PCI DSS audit, why not?
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Banking is divided into many parts.. from the CRM to the Payments/card systems etc. One thing that I don't think is allowed to be virtualised offsite is the primary accounting systems & ledgers.

So yes.. parts of the banking system may already be or in process of being on shared infrastructure with PCI DSS compliance but national regulators may have regulations on where the ledgers & accounts reside
 
RVQ said:
Guess you missed the conference...

I believe...
BCX said Standard is making use of their cloud
Amazon mentioned they helping a big Australian Bank move into their cloud
MS Guys said the Banks have already started the process of moving their Exchange, Lync and Sharepoint to Office 365 with some considering Azure

The shift is already happening and the company that spends millions on their own hardware, software and staff will have to pass on that costs to their clients, so if you competitor comes in with lower prices, greater flexibility and better reliability then Business will be forced to consider the Risk versus Profit...
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Yup, all that is commodity stuff.

Core ops? I don't think so.

I wonder how long before some major failure causes CIOs everywhere to reconsider...
 
Sinbad said:
Yup, all that is commodity stuff.

Core ops? I don't think so.

I wonder how long before some major failure causes CIOs everywhere to reconsider...
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I don't know the battle against Cloud Computing seems like the battle between the CD and iTunes... Looks like the future of the IT Industry might in majority become Services related as apposed to Box Products...
 
RVQ said:
Guess you missed the conference...

I believe...
BCX said Standard is making use of their cloud
Amazon mentioned they helping a big Australian Bank move into their cloud
MS Guys said the Banks have already started the process of moving their Exchange, Lync and Sharepoint to Office 365 with some considering Azure

The shift is already happening and the company that spends millions on their own hardware, software and staff will have to pass on that costs to their clients, so if you competitor comes in with lower prices, greater flexibility and better reliability then Business will be forced to consider the Risk versus Profit...
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I think what you're missing is that just because a company uses 1 cloud application, they are flagged as cloud. Microsoft is adding features to Lync which make it far more suitable for a cloud deployment. It's a lot easier to setup edge servers from a cloud setup than from your own. Also, SharePoint implementations have long been a real pain and often they aren't seen as real "core" systems so if they are unavailable, so what?
Email hosting is one of the oldest practices on the internet, it has just been re-branded as cloud and Microsoft is now supporting an official version of Exchange. It's not really seen as anything different from what's been done.

There's a massive difference between a company using one or two cloud services and actual running their core business off cloud.
Microsoft started a 5 year project in 2014 to start moving their core business to Azure. Until that point, their internal IT guys were saying it's not stable enough.
 
me_ said:
I think what you're missing is that just because a company uses 1 cloud application, they are flagged as cloud. Microsoft is adding features to Lync which make it far more suitable for a cloud deployment. It's a lot easier to setup edge servers from a cloud setup than from your own. Also, SharePoint implementations have long been a real pain and often they aren't seen as real "core" systems so if they are unavailable, so what?
Email hosting is one of the oldest practices on the internet, it has just been re-branded as cloud and Microsoft is now supporting an official version of Exchange. It's not really seen as anything different from what's been done.

There's a massive difference between a company using one or two cloud services and actual running their core business off cloud.
Microsoft started a 5 year project in 2014 to start moving their core business to Azure. Until that point, their internal IT guys were saying it's not stable enough.
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I suppose the question is how much of Microsoft Box Products can be moved to SaaS/PaaS Cloud offerings. If I was an MS Exchange, Sharepoint or UC expert with a few decades before retirement I'd be really worried...
 
RVQ said:
I suppose the question is how much of Microsoft Box Products can be moved to SaaS/PaaS Cloud offerings. If I was an MS Exchange, Sharepoint or UC expert with a few decades before retirement I'd be really worried...
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The thing is firstly that it is rare to find someone who has dedicated their life to any of these products. In most organisations, these apps are supported on the side by some system admin that doesn't really have that much of an understanding.
With the move to cloud and the applications being developed for larger scale, they've become more difficult to install and manage especially for general system admins that are responsible for a whole suite of tools.
Moving to the cloud doesn't remove most of the functions sys admins need to perform. It removes major version upgrades (2 - 4 weeks every 3 years) and patches (few hours a month). Unless you are running hundreds of instances / farms, you are unlikely to see anyone specialise in those aspects.

That's one of the major things with cloud - I have yet to see it make any saving in headcount. The pains that it resolves are usually so small that they are insignificant.
There's all this talk of not needing guys to rack servers, etc, but how long does it really take to rack a server? 4 hours every 3-4 years? That server now runs 40 - 60 virtual servers. What are you really saving?
 
freddster said:
Oh really...easier said than done. You work in your main fields, waste your time and money on courses etc to stay in touch with other technologies. And when you apply, you don't have 5 -10 years experience. And when you're older in this country you are out no matter how relevant you are. there is another thread on this in Software & Web development. And thats why so many people with bigger investments, working many years and have skills/finance are leaving. I know MSCE over 50, can't find work. A Freelancer now. And there are requirements in his line.
As for cloud , I doubt that many big corporates are going to put confidential data into the cloud. Want to see banks take their shyteload of data into the cloud. MS can't even handle some of their data.
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If at 50 all you've got to your name is a lousy MCSE then you're doing it wrong. You could (without brain dumping) study and pass an MCSE in 3 months. I wouldn't look for 'furniture' if I were recruiting IT technicians.
 
jsheed_sa said:
If at 50 all you've got to your name is a lousy MCSE then you're doing it wrong. You could (without brain dumping) study and pass an MCSE in 3 months. I wouldn't look for 'furniture' if I were recruiting IT technicians.
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Lousy? I thought MCSE was the holy grail of certifications. Need to change my ways. Explain.
 
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