is there no way to bypass p2p shaping?

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hi guys does anyone know how to do this? i am trying to download on p2p i have 900 mg left and i cannot - this is utter crap and not fair ???
 
Originally Posted by slimothy for the 100th time
Ok its very simple, you either have a p2p app that has a proxy option available or you have one that doesn't. If you have that option available you just enter a proxy into it and you'll be able to change the way the packet looks to the packet shaper software at WBS. If however your app doesn't have the proxy option available you need to download sockscap and use it to 'socksify' your application. Then just add proxies to that and away you go.

The number one problem regarding this is simply finding a good, fast and free proxy server to use, you can try on your own looking at publicly available proxy lists (just google for them) but that will involve a lot of trial and error because without a doubt most proxes that you will find will be either slow or have too many users on it. I have a place that offers a small list of good proxies every 3 hours.

Go to this page and scroll to the bottom where it says 'Socks 4' and 'Socks 5' proxies, at least 2 of those should be able to handle 100KB or more, but some of them might be down since they were last checked, so before you do anything, copy those 2 lists of 5 proxies and paste them here , hit the 'Check proxy!' button and they will all be checked, most of the time you'll see about 80% of them are still up but it varies. Once you have filtered the good proxies from the bad you will have a nice small list to work from, so just paste the IP/hostname and port into your p2p app or sockscap and then attempt to connect to the network and download something, give it a few minutes due to the nature of p2p but if you don't have faster speeds after a couple minutes, ditch that proxy and try another from the list. It's important to note in some p2p apps that
support proxies you will need to completley close the app and reopen it after you change proxies, also it is important to select the right version in your app of the socks proxy you use, for instance v4 for socks 4 and v5 for socks 5.

If you use azureus for torrents only place the proxy in the 'peer communications' bit, not tracker communications.

Another tip is that you must select good torrents or files in a p2p app with loads of sources sometimes for proxies, this is because the admin of the proxies sometime slimit the upload speed (your download speed) per peer, or thread. So in those cases if you want say, 100KB/s and each peer can give you 1KB/s or less you need to connect to at least 100 peers or more. So my advice is don't use public torrents unless they are extremly healthy (check TorrentSpy for healthy public torrents, they are the ones with green bars under the 'Health' column)
 
tell me about it

check the [SA wins the award "Worst internet access in the world"] thread. Slimothy posted there about using proxy server for bypassing the shapping.

It does not work for me, but it may work for you. I guess it depends on which network you using.
 
If all else fail, I hope you have a dial-up modem and a phone line :-)

at the moment I am using iBurst for chat and web browsing and my old dial-up modem for downloads :-) it works like a charm! :-)
 
Oh my ***, why do you gusy ask this so much :p

BTW swordfish, this works for everyone, granted you have a fast proxy server, if you cant find one in the hundreds of lists available you go buy a proxy server, or get a shell accoutn and make a proxy server. Can I give you a proxy that works fast 100% of the time? no, of course not, thats up to you, if you want p2p bad enough you'll find one just liek I did or set up one for your own personal use.

BTW guys thats just the fast free option for by passing shaping on p2p, you can also use a VPN (prolly have to pay for it) or you can try very early traffic morphers, bridges or even Rodi, which is a p2p app/protocol that can't be shaped.

If you cannot get it to work, well shame, you didn't try hard enough
 
slimothy, I am using eMule, don't forget, it connects just fine with proxy (always with low id even when using socks 5), but it downloads something like few MB per 24 hours, because it seems it could not connect to most of the peers when it attempts. So it is not a question of speed, I am not looking for fast speed anyway, I just need it to work reliably. I am still connected with the modem on my laptop and have downloaded for 12 hours 130 MB, which is not a lot, but it is stable so I know I am going to get my files sooner or later.

I will keep trying with proxy so will see.
 
i'm gonna try emule today when i'm done with work :( cuz i'm not sure if they seperate the peer data from server data, if i find something i'll let you know
 
Have downloaded about 100 MB with eMule the past 15 hrs. Not good, but anyway... On the other hand, I tend to look for scarce files, lucky if a find a decent source.
Download speed on one peer about 3.2 kB/s, upload at my limit of 7 kB/s. Can't seem to connect to servers, or maintain connections for more than a couple of minutes.
Telkom speed test ranges from 400 kbps to 1.2 Mbps at the moment.
 
this will be highly appreciated slimothy!

jmn, after I tried using socks proxy, the disconnection problem is gone, or at lease happens much less frequently. Normally I also download rare files, but right now I am trying to download file with 1200+ sources and with proxy it adds me onto the queues of near a 1000 sources (I set this to be the limit) but it (almost) never starts downloading. If it starts downloading it is very briefly. I managed to download about 10 MB for the last 24 hours, and I am downloading with my modem the same file in parallel and I have downloaded about 250 MB for the last 22 hours.

So on the 1 to 10 raiting for downloads from p2p, I am giving the dial-up connection 10 and iBurst 1 :-)
 
I also use emule, I have tried the proxy idea. I always get a lowid and it downloads so little I may as well not bother. I will be trying other methods, I haven't given up. :)
 
Grimsqueaker, exactly the same here, if you find something that helps, please let us know!
 
I don't use a proxy, get HighID mostly, but IP on IPFILTER.DAT most of the time...
 
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I think the proxy method won't work well with emule unless you use a private proxy because they filter public open proxy IPs with one of the hundreds of lists out there, its the same with IRC, try connect to a large server for a week (or even hour) on a open proxy thats being watched, you'll get booted off for having a bad IP

anyways why would you use emule... i just don't get it
 
Slimothy, what do you use? I mainly use emule because it seems to have a really extensive network on which I can find almost anything. If you can suggest something better, please tell me. I have used DC++ (can't find as much stuff as emule) and obvously if I can find something on a torrent I use that. Thanks for all the help so far.
 
rodi, torrents and ftp

rodi can't be shaped, torrents give you plenty of options to get around shaping (and faster spreading) and ftp, is the daddy where everything worth finding resides
 
slimothy, I am going to save myself the effort of repeating what Grimsqueaker said about emule.

If one only looks for the latest movie releases, probably there are many better ways to find them, but when you look for rare stuff, the eDonkey is the only network that has them, and eMule is by far the best client among all popular p2p clients accross all networks.

So I hope from now on we will concentrate on the "how to make emule work on iBurst" problem, rather than the "why use emule" problem.
 
ok, I just wonder, are we going to be looking for bypassing their packet shaping crap, or we rather should look at if it say anywhere in the contract that there should be such on first place.

I think according to the WBS advertising and contracts, p2p is going to be restricted to 64 Kbps at all times, except for the 9 GB package. So this does not seem to be the case.

It will be great if somebody who knows somebody who is somebody at WBS :-), to ring him and ask if this p2p problems are intentionaly made by WBS or it is again their incompetence. If it is the later, when the problem is going to be resolved.
 
ok whatever, the fact is if you don't have access to anythign there is no better place than bottom end networks liek emule, so enjoy, i'm not stopping you, but don't for one second think the files don't exist elsewhere

and saying its the best client is subjective, what you mean is... its the best client, for you

and I only stated one line about emule and proxies and you turned it into a why use emule thing, i don't care what you use, do you think I get 50c every time someone doesn't use emule? it really has no meaning to me what so ever, use it or don't use it, but I only provide work arounds for stuff I might actually use, so what I was saying, is I can't specifically give information on how to evade shaping or throttling with that network because i don't, and won't use it. So the best I can do for you is provide generic information that would apply to those kinds of networks. use the information and principles to find your own way around it or don't use it effectivly
 
swordfish1 said:
ok, I just wonder, are we going to be looking for bypassing their packet shaping crap, or we rather should look at if it say anywhere in the contract that there should be such on first place.

I think according to the WBS advertising and contracts, p2p is going to be restricted to 64 Kbps at all times, except for the 9 GB package. So this does not seem to be the case.

It will be great if somebody who knows somebody who is somebody at WBS :-), to ring him and ask if this p2p problems are intentionaly made by WBS or it is again their incompetence. If it is the later, when the problem is going to be resolved.
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omg, you are really running out of things to post aren't you, nowhere does it say it will be 64k at all times, it instead implies that the maximum you may hope to recieve is 64k (although obviously at times it can peak over). Remember packet shaping isn't an exact science, its kinda hard to shape p2p in the first place, they can eiither shape each thread but then everyone of you will make sure you use enough threads to use 120 - 140KB/s, so instead what they do is limit the amount of data connections you can have and then shape those, which is why you either have a couple data connections pulling in small amounts or even less data connections pulling in larger amounts.

with static networks like emule, it is pretty easy to distinguish a emule data packet from any other kind of packet, infact ecoyera intelligent firewall comes with rules built in for those networks, the protocol isn't free either like say torrents, so theres no hope of using bridges and other forms of shaping evasion techniques, also you can't use outside encryption because that would require that all the peers you download from have the same modded software to encrypt the data externally in the first place.

I guess what I'm trying to say is evading packet shaping for emule, as is would be extremly tedious and time consuming, if not impossible. My advise, my personal advise (use it or don't) is start getting familiar with other protocols and methods to find rare stuff, or upgrade yyour package to the 9Gb
 
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