Is this our future?

[kilo39]

SAO PAULO, Brazil, Sept 1 (Reuters) - A Brazilian judge has ordered the local office of Web search company Google (GOOG.O: Quote, Profile, Research) to disclose the data of users of Google's social networking site Orkut accused of crimes like racism or child pornography.

Federal judge Jose Lunardelli ruled late on Thursday that Google be given 15 days to disclose the information, including the Internet Protocol addresses that can uniquely identify a specific computer on a network.
Brazil judge orders Google to disclose users' data Fri Sep 1, 2006

Is this our future? (re: telkom, isp's - myadsl - ECA, RICA, media bill?)

Originally found here:
Brazil charges Google millions for hiding accused Orkut criminals

 

[Darth Garth]

I have no problem with Google or Telkom doing this ... people should realize that you cannot hide behind your keyboard and get away with being a pedophile,pirate, criminal or advocating hate speech.

As there are consequences in the real world for doing this then the internet should really be no different.

This is not an "freedom of speech" issue.

 

[kilo39]

I have no problem with Google or Telkom doing this ... people should realize that you cannot hide behind your keyboard and get away with being a pedophile,pirate, criminal or advocating hate speech.

No Tibby - it's a bit bigger than that (the article doesn't really get into the depths and I have seen other mentions elsewhere) - the bigger issue is dissenting voices against the government - it is simply couched(?) on the 'porn' or 'hate speech' issue - but the greater theme is freedom of speech (and of course integrity of google data.)

 

[jontyB]

I have no problem with Google or Telkom doing this ... people should realize that you cannot hide behind your keyboard and get away with being a pedophile,pirate, criminal or advocating hate speech.

As there are consequences in the real world for doing this then the internet should really be no different.

This is not an "freedom of speech" issue.

I'm curious. Do you have any MP3's lying around on a disk here or there?

In as far as paedophile and criminal behaviour is concerned, I agree with you. Hate speech is a non issue. Remove the double standards, and then hate speech will disappear.

 

[kilo39]

The bigger issues:

In order to understand Google’s significance in South America’s biggest country it must be realized that today of the 20 million Brazilians with access to the Internet , approximately 17 million are in Orkut. Indeed, it seems that the wholesale involvement of a society in a virtual space that has a peculiar (and loose) identity system is not providing good outcomes. Prosecutors in Brazil claim that there are users engaged in illegal activity on Orkut and they are going after Google because so far it has refused to hand over information about them.
Google in Brazil: Who Guards Orkut’s Playground? Friday, August 25th, 2006

1. Brazil has no law whatsoever with regards to these matters (free online speech, in which cases user data can be collected, how speech can be prosecuted,…). No wonder Google is very reluctant to release data of the hundreds, if not thousands ‘cases’.
3. The problem is well beyond Orkut of course. On it’s own territory many fotolog services are being abused for distributing kiddy porn, selling drugs,… No action whatsoever is taken against those acts. As I wrote before, the Brazilian government is simply terrified seeing that more then 10% of it’s population is gathered on a US-based platform. Imagine what would happen in the next president elections in 4 years from here with more then 20% of the Brazilian population on Orkut… This is of course the real issue. “Orkut was the most visited Web site in Brazil in July, attracting 9.6 billion page views that month, according to IBOPE/NetRatings, a joint venture between the Brazilian Institute of Public Opinion and Statistics and NetRatings. About half of the Web population in Brazil uses Orkut.”
3. It is strange that this matter pops u amidst the elections…
4. I wished Brazilians understood that orkut with it’s 94% Brazilian users is actually a liability rather then an asset in the books of Google. Valuable consumer data? Don’t make me laugh; iTunes doesn’t even sell (read: is even not allowed to sell) in Brazil.
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