ISPs fume over ADSL rules

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ISPs fume over ADSL rules

Internet service providers (ISPs) have slammed certain aspects of new regulations governing fixed-line high-speed internet services, saying they do nothing to address the competition problems facing the market.

Both DataPro and Dimension Data subsidiary Internet Solutions (IS) say the asymmetrical digital subscriber line (ADSL) regulations do more to guarantee better service for consumers, but they also place onerous requirements on the ISPs, which could cause financial pain.

 

[Nokkie]

wait a minute! if the icasa act say's unlimited local bandwith that means other isp's can give cheaper packages in that bring in competion again? (like the access 30gig package for R270 a month)

am i wrong or right?

 

[ic]

wait a minute! if the icasa act say's unlimited local bandwith that means other isp's can give cheaper packages in that bring in competion again? (like the access 30gig package for R270 a month)

am i wrong or right?

Wrong, the article quotes that there is a significant cost to local ISPs for local bandwidth - only TelkodemonopoliesHindernet & SAIX [Telkodemonopolies] can afford to provision free local bandwidth - since the beast still controls everything and local bandwidth costs the beast virtually nothing compared to what IS, Verizon Business et al are charged for local bandwidth - just look at Telkodemonopolies' exorbitant digicrap & IPConnect pricing.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Guys like IS and Verizon should feel like they got screwed. Almost nothing was done to rectify the wholesale bandwidth and IPConnect pricing. Instead everybody is expected to wait for Telkom to submit these COA/CAM reports which could be anytime from now to imminent, while in the meantime consumers (and retailers alike) will be further shafted by the various loopholes provided in the 5 page regulations. And yet IS made an excellent argument during the hearings, but not a single point of theirs was acknowledged.

 

[Nokkie]

damnit

 

[jaffar]

I find it hard to believe that IS pay R44 for 1 gig local as there are allot of isp's offering IS accounts with 3gig international and 30 gig local, they would have lost so much money the would be under months ago, besides how much traffic do ppl use locally, i would be interested to know if most people actually get anywhere close to that 30 gig local.

 

[ic]

I find it hard to believe that IS pay R44 for 1 gig local as there are allot of isp's offering IS accounts with 3gig international and 30 gig local, they would have lost so much money the would be under months ago, besides how much traffic do ppl use locally, i would be interested to know if most people actually get anywhere close to that 30 gig local.

I've mostly been using my local ISDSL GBs for local RoI [radio over internet], and it's using a lot...

 

[LabAnimal]

well there's no doubt that local proxies will kick in once again and downloading internationally via these will be the norm once again.

 

[DragonLogos]

Well there you go, another kick in the pants, as Telkom once again get off the hook, it's clear to see who got their way, it's as clear as day what is going on, like why Telkom centres it's self around local calls. You know it. I know it , they know it and even the cat next door and the mice it chases knows it. But here we are watching and waiting, being worn down

People often try and justify what they do wrong, like if someone rips off a MS CD it's OK because Bill Gates is the richest Man in the world, or it's OK to steal from so and so because they stole from us. The Devil made me do it, or as GW Bush said a while ago, G0D told him to invade Iraq, so he did, only problem is now he can't remember was it Iraq or Iran

So what's TelCon's excuse... Lets call it ~ THE PLAN ~

 

[pjj]

Who on this site once said that Icasa and Telkom are partners? Seems he/she was right.

 

[curiouswanderer]

Who on this site once said that Icasa and Telkom are partners? Seems he/she was right.

If u think of it they're like partners but it's indirect in nature. Gov owns Telkom and runs ICASA. This is a case of either a conflict of interest or simply an indirect partnership. It's also a case of greed.

 

[Snekko]

Maybe not ??

I was under the impression that the local bandwidth will be available free 2 ISPs as Telkom is providing them with bandwidth, so the bandwidth should be free straight from the source the only peson the local bandwidth should be charged 2 is Telkom but I think the sky rocket prices of DSL already cover the costs, so ya

So if they planning to offer free local how are they going to determine which is being used (International or Local) as to help the DSL customer out. 2 accounts

What good is it having free local bandwidth if you get capped on ur international & all u have left is local & therefore would have 2 buy another account.

If it's like that whats the #*$@%^! point

 

[henno]

well there's no doubt that local proxies will kick in once again and downloading internationally via these will be the norm once again.

If that's the case, then thing could be getting better indeed. Appart from all the service related issues and pricing of course

 

[Moederloos]

Can some one please put all this into English?
Specifically:
1) When will this be implemented
2) Is local and international to be split from the 1st meg?

I do sense the answers will be
1) Imminently
2) no

 

[noxibox]

Also, while it is good to put a 30-day installation requirement in place, Telkom is struggling to meet the pent-up demand for its products, with people waiting months on end for services to be installed.

Then Telkom will be in breach of the regulations. Tough luck.

“Free local bandwidth is great, but there is a cost to that and now you are forcing companies to do provide this for free.”

And is Telkom not one of those companies?

Or are IS whining because now they can no longer sell local bandwidth themselves?

 

[noxibox]

1) When will this be implemented
2) Is local and international to be split from the 1st meg?

I do sense the answers will be
1) Imminently
2) no

I'd assume the current rip-off will continue where ISPs are suddenly magically able to determine what is local once your international cap is used up.

 

[jontyB]

Can some one please put all this into English?
Specifically:
1) When will this be implemented

It's Imminent

2) Is local and international to be split from the 1st meg?

Remains to be seen. From what I read this is open to Telkom's disgression and taking on the issue.

I do sense the answers will be
1) Imminently
2) no

 

[Tomasz-London]

No disrespect to any of my fellow forumites, but what's the point of discussing the scraps which ICASA and Telkom have thrown our way.

ISPA and ADSL users must take legal action.
Nothing will change until ICASA, Telkom and our beloved Guavamint are forced to act. Stop waiting and seeing and start acting. I know it's easier said than done but damn, picket, protest and take legal action!

Enough is enough!

 

[NameOfBeast]

Or are IS whining because now they can no longer sell local bandwidth themselves?

Maybe a bit harsh on IS: this will definitely cost them more than TELKOM. Just another disincentive for IS to stay in the ADSL market.

 

[Tomasz-London]

This is what a regulator should look like and regulate.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/

Enough said.