Israeli Elections

Sapphiron said:
I think the Zionists will soon realize that if they don't accept a two state solution and claim all the land as Israel, then they will be voted out.

I actually think that would be the best long term. One country, representing the people that live there. The name does not really matter.

But, I think they will dump even the pretense of a democracy the moment it no longer serves them.
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Where are Iran and their minions (Hezbollah and Hamas) in this hypothetical?

Can't expect one side to compromise on a solution if the other side's lunatics don't do the same.
 
thestaggy said:
Where are Iran and their minions (Hezbollah and Hamas) in this hypothetical?

Can't expect one side to compromise on a solution if the other side's lunatics don't do the same.
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Well Iran's Lunatics would have a lot less power and support if they did not get their civilians bombed and killed by Israel and the US every few years.

Terrorist states like Iran and Israel always need an external enemy to stay in power over it's people.

Much like in the cold war, nothing is going to change untill one of the parties collapsed. Iran is probably the closest to collapse and probably would have already if Israel and the US was not so incompetent in the way their conducted that war.
 
Sapphiron said:
Well Iran's Lunatics would have a lot less power and support if they did not get their civilians bombed and killed by Israel and the US every few years.

Terrorist states like Iran and Israel always need an external enemy to stay in power over it's people.

Much like in the cold war, nothing is going to change untill one of the parties collapsed. Iran is probably the closest to collapse and probably would have already if Israel and the US was not so incompetent in the way their conducted that war.
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I'm sure iran's lunatics where bombing israel way before israel was bombing them. iran's lunatics stay in power by using live ammo on its people.
 
thestaggy said:
Where are Iran and their minions (Hezbollah and Hamas) in this hypothetical?

Can't expect one side to compromise on a solution if the other side's lunatics don't do the same.
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Hamas is a function of the impasse between Israel and Palestine. If there were to be peace, Hamas would lose any reason for existing. Probably ending up like the PAC did in SA.

Hezbollah is a function of Israeli and Iranian proxy fighting in Lebanon. In order for Hezbollah to be diminished, you'd need a stable and peaceful Lebanon, with absolute zero interference from both parties...that seems far fetched, given Israel's ambition for expansion and Iran's ambition to control energy access around the gulf.
 
Spizz said:
Brilliant. You ignore the question, post an explanation showing how Israel is in fact a a democracy, but that doesn’t suit the agenda so you frame it as Israel not being a democracy :ROFL:

Not the brightest you lot, are you?
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Courts aren't an indicator of a democracy. In that case, North Korea is a democracy.
 
Sapphiron said:
Well Iran's Lunatics would have a lot less power and support if they did not get their civilians bombed and killed by Israel and the US every few years.
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Do you think that if Iran stopped trying to destroy Israel and funding it's many proxies to do it for them, thinkgs might just be a little more peaceful?

Sapphiron said:
Terrorist states like Iran and Israel always need an external enemy to stay in power over it's people.
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So if Israel wasn't being attacked constantly, they'd look for enemies? Serious question. Because I thought them scrambling about the ME looking for allies and making peace deals was actually aimed at stopping the forever war foisted on it?

Sapphiron said:
Much like in the cold war, nothing is going to change untill one of the parties collapsed. Iran is probably the closest to collapse and probably would have already if Israel and the US was not so incompetent in the way their conducted that war.
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Incompetent war started by stupid people. But great that you managed to end with blaming Israel for Iran still existing. At least you are consistent.
 
wingnut771 said:
I'm sure iran's lunatics where bombing israel way before israel was bombing them.
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You have that the wrong around my guy.

Also live ammo on your own people isn't exclusive to lunatics, communists or dictatorships. Kent State happened in a venerable democracy, but we tend to gloss over that don't we, doesn't fit the narrative lol
 
wingnut771 said:
I'm sure iran's lunatics where bombing israel way before israel was bombing them. iran's lunatics stay in power by using live ammo on its people.
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We just making shït up now huh. Also reminder that the biggest Israeli newspaper accuses Netanyahu of killing their own civilians during hallowed and holy October 7 (It was the equivalent of 50 trillion 9/11s don't you know.)
 
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Spizz said:
So if Israel wasn't being attacked constantly, they'd look for enemies? Serious question. Because I thought them scrambling about the ME looking for allies and making peace deals was actually aimed at stopping the forever war foisted on it
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Serious answer is yes. Israel exists in a siege mentality because that's it's only way to sustain itself. It needs enemies to justify it's expansionary ambitions. This is also why it strives to equate Judaism with Israel the political entity. Without the excuse of being constantly attacked and being the innocent victim, it would not have had Jews emigrate from the diaspora on masse beyond the Russian immigration it received. So they look for enemies and even support them covertly if needs be re: Hamas.
 
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Vorastra said:
Containment. That's like saying that because whites are in government here in South Africa, that there are no issues. :)
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No, it's like you skirting round the issues because you can't bring yourself to admit that Israel is a democracy. Not so?
 
well at least this government lasted its full term of office despite everything.

and who knows if we repeat the stunt of 4 elections in 2 years, at least people showed up to vote this time.
 
Slckrck said:
Serious answer is yes. Israel exists in a siege mentality because that's it's only way to sustain itself. It needs enemies to justify it's expansionary ambitions. This is also why it strives to equate Judaism with Israel the political entity. Without the excuse of being constantly attacked and being the innocent victim, it would not have had Jews emigrate from the diaspora on masse beyond the Russian immigration it received. So they look for enemies and even support them covertly if needs be re: Hamas.
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Well, I would have said that over 2,000 pogroms resulting in the deaths of 150,000 Jews in the 20th century alone, BEFORE the Holocaust, makes them a bit more than pretending to be the 'innocent victims' and kind of gives an 'excuse' for seeking safety and security.

But then, Jews huh, always looking for a fight.
 
Slckrck said:
You have that the wrong around my guy.

Also live ammo on your own people isn't exclusive to lunatics, communists or dictatorships. Kent State happened in a venerable democracy, but we tend to gloss over that don't we, doesn't fit the narrative lol
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