IT Skill Shortage

[supersunbird]

With a degree plus your experience, you could more than double that amount.
Also if you work for a big corporate, don't expect to ascend to a position of influence without qualifications...You might end up doing support and troubleshooting for the rest of your life...

Im gonna use this job to finance my business and then I'll be the bossman...

 

[janp0s]

I dont get it... every company where I have worked pay more than R25k p/m for the IT developers. Yes they all have 3-5 years of experience.

If you are working for 3-5 years in IT and still earn less than R25k p/m you are not a performer.

I had this mentor (this guy was f$king bright and innovative) at a previous company and he earned R600 p/h.

Most IT ppl sit and f$cking browse all day and when you ask them to add some changes they always complain that it is not possible, etc... No wonder those motherf$kers still earn nothing.

The IT ppl who present solutions and take initiative to better the current development environment and introduce better policies make mega bucks.

Not to blow my own trumpet, but since I've been applying the above I've been in demand at many companies and have no problem getting the rate I want.

 

[lsuacner]

Im gonna use this job to finance my business and then I'll be the bossman...

I think that is a good idea, plan to make money, save and invest till I can either become a 37% share holder or a owner of a business which will run itself without my supervision.

 

[GavinMannion]

I know how you feel, its freakin sad...
have a look at this job post:
Technical Support job in UK
18000 pounds a month for "1 to 2 years of customer service experience"
18000 pounds a month is like 3m Rands a year!

Umm I don't think so...

£18K - £20K + Company Benefits (Per Annum)

A very good salary in London is 60K... very good.. so I doubt some techie is earning 20k a month

Anyway another reason why we have a IT skills shortage is that our guys are getting poached from overseas and it becomes more and more difficult to say know.

Of all the best IT guys I have ever worked with (programmers) I would say 70% have been poached by UK/US/UAE or AUS...

More money, less work and a safer life style..

Looking at jobs in the US, They offer someone like me $100-$120k per annum plus a million and one benefits.... When that reaches around $140k how can you say no?

That's a million rand a year and the general cost of living is very good in places like Dallas.

 

[janp0s]

here is a link to average IT salaries in SA
http://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Country=South_Africa/Salary

And use the damn skill shortage to your advantage... it cant take you more than 2 weeks to find a new job

http://allafrica.com/stories/200706010093.html

 

[GavinMannion]

here is a link to average IT salaries in SA
http://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Country=South_Africa/Salary

And use the damn skill shortage to your advantage... it cant take you more than 2 weeks to find a new job

http://allafrica.com/stories/200706010093.html

That salary graph is way way out...

Median salary for a software developer with 5 years experience R200k per annum.

Rather check the ITweb one which is a lot more accurate

http://www.itweb.co.za/surveys/salary/2007/

 

[lsuacner]

Bcom Honors
http://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Degree=B_Com_Honours/Salary
Bcom degree
http://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Certification=BCom/Salary
Accounting degree
http://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Degree=accounting_degree/Salary

Doesn't look as good for accounting as I thought. Luckily am studying towards financial analyst also.

 

[lsuacner]

May I also point out that you get NAILED by social fees in Europe, for any job, so your take home pay is about 50% of gross. That is not the case in SA. This makes the IT industry in SA, if you know where to look (refer again to above), VERY favourable at the moment.

50% is not bad, here you pay 40%, then you start paying for health, pension, security, finance charges and so forth. In Norway you pay 50% and receive all those benefits also, along with blond blue-eyed girls.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

I fully agree with Janpo3s

I don't know, that sounds a bit funny
Maby people should chose slightly less vulgar usernames

- if you are only finding places in SA paying R12k per month, you are definately not looking in the right places.

There are definately lots of IT companies in SA that do indeed pay R25k per month AND UP. Not only do you need skills to do the job, you also need skills to find the job!

Gauteng in general also pays much better than Cape Town.

Good to hear, I'm studying towards an IT degree, but every ad you see is for a experienced posistion. Do any places actually hire juniors out of university anymore? I mean how do they expect people to get that experience when no one is willing to give it to them..

Oh, except the Cape Town part.

 

[krycor]

Yah most want experienced people thats why i see most students take busaries for their final yr or 6mnths so that they get the same period in a job. There is also the graduate events/programmes most universities have where companies come visit and u get to speak to a large variety of companies that u may find interesting. The cool thing about the latter is they often have 1 or 3 or so freshly qualified people with them doing the road show so to speak so u get to ask them how they have found it after a yr of joining the company etc

 

[janp0s]

I must agree with Perks, ppl skills are very important.
Another important skill is to know how to sell yourself in an interview.

Ive interviewed ppl, where they cant even look you in the eye, or they speak too softly, etc...

I dont want to hire those rejects, they might be brilliant but you cant communicate with them or vice versa. I'd rather hire someone with less IT skills and more ppl skills and then train them. Its easier to work with them.

 

[AdLo]

Comptia aren't offering any People Skills+ or Contacts+ certifications.
Who then offers these certifications?

 

[supersunbird]

Comptia aren't offering any People Skills+ or Contacts+ certifications.
Who then offers these certifications?

The School of Life and the School of Hard Knocks...

 

[icyrus]

I must agree with Perks, ppl skills are very important.
Another important skill is to know how to sell yourself in an interview.

Ive interviewed ppl, where they cant even look you in the eye, or they speak too softly, etc...

I dont want to hire those rejects, they might be brilliant but you cant communicate with them or vice versa. I'd rather hire someone with less IT skills and more ppl skills and then train them. Its easier to work with them.

That is a bit harsh. People can learn to master their social hangups/problems and become better with people with the right kind of mentors - but you can't teach or learn brilliance.

For new graduates - I would say do some work on open source projects. You can show that as not only practical work experience but also that you can work in a group and are self motivated.

 

[krycor]

Ah then there is always there, ok this don't apply to comsci, but engineers always get the choice of something in eng or not at all. I find that interesting.