'It was a bloodbath'

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/it-was-a-bloodbath-1.1059251

A Pretoria grandmother tried to hang herself from a bathroom shower rail after allegedly shooting her son in the head and smothering her infant grandson to death as he lay in his pram.

The 51-year-old, who was airlifted to Unitas Hospital, was found bleeding in her luxury security estate home near Samrand by a family member and a security guard on Tuesday.

She had apparently also tried to slit her wrists.

The carnage occurred in a single-storey house in Valley View Estate.

The body of the woman’s son, who is believed to be in his late 20s and was apparently the uncle of the baby, was found on a bed in a bedroom next to the blood-smeared bathroom where the woman, who is the estate’s security director, apparently tried to kill herself.

In the passage, less than 1m away, lay the body of her 18-month-old grandson, allegedly smothered to death as he sat fastened into his pram. A living will, a birth certificate and several identity documents left lying neatly on a table in the lounge, along with a gun and bullet cartridge, are all the clues that the family and the police have to work off for now, as they try to piece together what sparked the suspected family murder.

As police cordoned off the scene and paramedics worked to stabilise the woman, neighbours stood on their pavements in shock. “It doesn’t seem real. I cannot believe that this has happened. It is just too terrible to think about.

“She is such a nice person. Always smiling and laughing. I can’t believe that something like this could happen to this family,” said neighbour, Phillimon Ramoganyaka.

Describing what he saw when he entered the house to help, the security guard, who asked not to be named, said: “It was terrible. There was so much blood in the bathroom and the bedroom.

“When we saw the lady she was hanging. She had a TV cord around her neck and was covered in blood. She looked like death. She was so white,” he said.

The guard said the man and the baby were already dead when they entered the house. “The baby looked like he was sleeping. He looked so peaceful and calm, but the man … it was too bad. You could see he suffered,” he said.

Emergency personnel described the scene as horrific.

“It was a bloodbath. The man sustained traumatic injuries to his head and neck while the woman had lacerations to her arms as well as strangulation injuries to her neck,” said an emergency officer.

A policeman, who cannot be named as he is not authorised to talk to the media, said the baby had no visible injuries. “At this stage how the infant boy died is not known,” he said.

Police spokesman Captain Thomas Mufamadi said: “We have two bodies and a very badly hurt woman. At this stage we do not know what happened here.

He confirmed the man had been shot, but said that the cause of death for the baby was still unknown.

Asked if the woman was a suspect, Mufamadi declined to comment. - Pretoria News

Makes you wonder what pushes people to commit such horrific crimes to their own families
 
There have been quite a few recently. Ironically just as gun laws seem to be loosening.

Wait. What?

Are you saying this is happening because it is "easier" to attain a gun? No ways. That crazy lady was taking them down whether she had a gun or not.
BTW. Have you tried to get a licence recently?
 
Wait. What?

Are you saying this is happening because it is "easier" to attain a gun? No ways. That crazy lady was taking them down whether she had a gun or not.
BTW. Have you tried to get a licence recently?

No I'm not and no I haven't but following on from gregmmc's post yesterday it seems like they're trying to speed things up. What I have an issue with is there are obviously psychological screenings which they are overlooking.
 
No I'm not and no I haven't but following on from gregmmc's post yesterday it seems like they're trying to speed things up. What I have an issue with is there are obviously psychological screenings which they are overlooking.

Ah. That makes sense. And agreed, merely asking people that know the person is complete bollocks. I went with one of my colleagues to do this and the police asked me the questions in front of that person.. Stupid if you ask me.
Complete psycho analysis should be included. But that'll take too long and be too expensive.
 
Ah. That makes sense. And agreed, merely asking people that know the person is complete bollocks. I went with one of my colleagues to do this and the police asked me the questions in front of that person.. Stupid if you ask me.
Complete psycho analysis should be included. But that'll take too long and be too expensive.

And I'm assuming it's not redone at any point? LIke the drivers licenses.
 
There have been quite a few recently. Ironically just as gun laws seem to be loosening.

Just because quite a few have appeared in the news doesn't mean it's happening more often.
These family suicides seem quite common in SA though.
 

Are journalists really permitted to form opinions like this:

A Pretoria grandmother tried to hang herself from a bathroom shower rail after allegedly shooting her son in the head and smothering her infant grandson to death as he lay in his pram.

When:
Police spokesman Captain Thomas Mufamadi said: “We have two bodies and a very badly hurt woman. At this stage we do not know what happened here.

He confirmed the man had been shot, but said that the cause of death for the baby was still unknown.

Asked if the woman was a suspect, Mufamadi declined to comment.

For all we know the son smothered the baby, attacked his mother, she retaliated, killed him and felt as though she had nothing left so attempted killing herself.

The fact of the matter is that we just don't know.

Idiot journalist should keep speculation to him/herself until facts are known.
 
I suspect the unrelenting psychological warfare going on in the country, causes quite a lot of people to "crack".
Just a theory. SA has always had a higher than average instance of psychological issues I think.
 
Can I suggest one can ultimately put this type of thing down to money ?

Money can keep the wolf from the door.
Money can buy better health care/education
Money can enable one to move to a better/safer area.
Money can provide opportunity for you and your children.

Are there any of these family killings occurring in wealthy families or always those in some sort of financial trouble ?

Just a thought.
 
Are journalists really permitted to form opinions like this:



When:


For all we know the son smothered the baby, attacked his mother, she retaliated, killed him and felt as though she had nothing left so attempted killing herself.

The fact of the matter is that we just don't know.

Idiot journalist should keep speculation to him/herself until facts are known.

I agree with you totally. The journo's opinion had me thinking that the causes of death were already determined....
 
I suspect the unrelenting psychological warfare going on in the country, causes quite a lot of people to "crack".
Just a theory. SA has always had a higher than average instance of psychological issues I think.

I think it has, in large part, to do with the collapse of family and societal structures.

Can I suggest one can ultimately put this type of thing down to money ?

Money can keep the wolf from the door.
Money can buy better health care/education
Money can enable one to move to a better/safer area.
Money can provide opportunity for you and your children.

Are there any of these family killings occurring in wealthy families or always those in some sort of financial trouble ?

Just a thought.

I doubt. It happens all across the various socio-economic spheres.
 
so she tried to kill herself after killing her son and grandchild, having supposedly shot the son and smothered the grandson, by hanging herself? why didn't she shoot herself then? she didn't want to kill herself perhaps? what's up with this scene?
 
Are journalists really permitted to form opinions like this

I agree. The word "allegedly" is used far too often. In this instance, it appears, the police haven't confirmed anything at the time of article being written. Sensationalism! :mad:
 
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