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Matuma Letsoalo and Rapule Tabane visited controversial ANC Youth League president Julius Malema at his Sandton home this week to quiz him about his unexplained riches and his war with journalists, Helen Zille and Pravin Gordhan.
In his political overview at the recent ANC national executive committee (NEC) meeting, President Jacob Zuma strongly criticised ANC Youth League leaders for undermining his authority. Were you surprised?
Zuma is not raising concerns about the youth league for the first time. He has always raised concerns and engaged the youth league where he felt he was not comfortable with *certain statements.
To me, the president's input to the NEC was more of an internal debate, and in the internal debate we have always asked for people to be honest and articulate so that we get to know what other people think of others in the ANC.
There was no shock. I stood up there and I responded. I clarified the statement of the youth league and we agreed, we moved forward. That's why today the youth league is not in the newspapers [or being] asked to retract or apologise.
Why did your attack on Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan for under-resourcing the National Youth Development Agency go as far as saying he did not understand the ANC and was an unelected ANC leader?
The youth league was raising its frustrations with the ministry of finance. We simply could not and still do not understand why the minister of finance would not appreciate that we are sitting on a ticking time bomb in relation to young people.
Seventy-five percent of the unemployed in the country are young people. President Zuma in his State of the Nation speech dedicated [a lot of his time] to youth development. The budgeting should have been in line with what the president said [there].
We accept the criticism that says "perhaps you should have raised the matter internally".
But we stand firm that there is reluctance on the part of treasury ... and we are fighting [that]. We think we need to put more pressure on Gordhan to accept that we have a problem.
If you look at people who are protesting, it's young people. Where do these young people come from? They come from communities because they have nowhere to go. They have got time to be running on the streets and burning tyres.
Zuma has said the attack on Gordhan is an attack on him.
It's him who appointed Gordhan. That is why we are saying we have accepted that. He is the president. [Any] attack on his ministers is an attack on him. [The president] is right, but this does not stop us from raising issues.
You have insinuated that people in the South African Revenue Service (Sars) are working with some ANC leaders who do not want Zuma to be president?
It's possible. We have in the past experienced institutions of the state being used to further political factional battles. It would not be for the first time and that's why now we must nip it in the bud, because it is the same situation which led us to where we were before Polokwane. We don't want a repetition of that, where institutions of the state are used to further political battles.
What's your view on the proposal of lifestyle audits of public *officials?
It's factional. It's very wrong. We support lifestyle audits, as long as it's not factional and targeting certain individuals. A lifestyle audit is conducted by Sars. The Scorpions used to do the same thing in the past. It’s not a new thing. But once you say "lifestyle audit to deal with corrupt individuals, to deal with a group of individuals in the ANC", it means you have grouped certain people and you are targeting them.
Don't you think it's fair to ask how you have accumulated your wealth at such a young age?
It's very fair. But write facts. What the media did [showed] it was never interested in the facts. I am not rich. I do not have millions as reported. All my houses have got bonds. They are financed by banks. I've never got any lucrative tender from anybody, including the company called SGL.
I live on handouts most of the time. If I don't have food to eat, I can call Cassel Mathale [premier of Limpopo] and say: "Chief, can you help me? I've got nothing here." I can call Thaba Mufamadi, I can call Pule Mabe [ANCYL treasurer general] or Mbalula. They all do the same with me. That's how we have come to relate to each other.
That's why at times you can't even see our poverty because we cover each other's back. As comrades, we have always supported each other like that.
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