Keeping SA players in SA

I agree, the quota system adds another aspect.

They could possibly get game time in the UK but would be overlooked in SA.
 
Werner Harding said:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/saru-forks-out-r90m-to-keep-boks-at-home-20151215

Sounds promising, but for how long will the players stay with the quota system and everything going on with SA Rugby?
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SARU must not try to keep anyone. Those who want to go must go, and those who want to stay can stay. Soon the French, Japs etc will say say enough with overpaying these average players while our national teams suffer, and they'll all have to either come back to SA, or accept smaller salaries and be treated like disposables.

How many old Bakkies, FdP, Juan, etc can those clubs accomodate, plus the likes of Whitely, Marcel etc as well before locals rebel?

If SARU has money put it into development. Employ school coaches, build and/or gain control over rugby facilities in those schools so they are maintained, establish clubs, academies, tours of selected players. R90 million is a lot of money. Enough to achieve this.
 
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MyBBOutkast said:
SARU must not try to keep anyone. Those who want to go must go, and those who want to stay can stay. Soon the French, Japs etc will say say enough with overpaying these average players while our national teams suffer, and they'll all have to either come back to SA, or accept smaller salaries and be treated like disposables.

How many old Bakkies, FdP, Juan, etc can those clubs accomodate, plus the likes of Whitely, Marcel etc as well before locals rebel?

If SARU has money put it into development. Employ school coaches, build and/or gain control over rugby facilities in those schools so they are maintained, establish clubs, academies, tours of selected players. R90 million is a lot of money. Enough to achieve this.
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Gladly is only your simplistic opinion mostly, which is a won for real professionals rugby players.
 
Seriously said:
Gladly is only your simplistic opinion mostly, which is a won for real professionals rugby players.
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I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly. But the point I was referring to was capitalism&market forces. Too many of these players will actually drive down the salaries they hope to get, and push up the salaries of local French, Japanese players etc who are of lower quality but little of them good enough (same with the EPL). My advise is for everyone to stay and grow the game. South African Rugby has had 14-16(?) unions, mostly made up of one race (a few million). I see no reason why they shouldn't be 24 with promotion/demotion (considering non-whites make up a huge majority). There'll be more than enough money to go around.
 
MyBBOutkast said:
SARU must not try to keep anyone. Those who want to go must go, and those who want to stay can stay. Soon the French, Japs etc will say say enough with overpaying these average players while our national teams suffer, and they'll all have to either come back to SA, or accept smaller salaries and be treated like disposables.

How many old Bakkies, FdP, Juan, etc can those clubs accomodate, plus the likes of Whitely, Marcel etc as well before locals rebel?

If SARU has money put it into development. Employ school coaches, build and/or gain control over rugby facilities in those schools so they are maintained, establish clubs, academies, tours of selected players. R90 million is a lot of money. Enough to achieve this.
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Look I agree development would be a huge boost especial at school level but why do you want to had more unions?
 
Werner Harding said:
Look I agree development would be a huge boost especial at school level but why do you want to had more unions?
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When you have universities and are constantly producing quality graduates what do you do? You increase employment opportunities. We can't assume that overseas jobs will always be available. So in the long run what do you think will happen to rugby in this country if the whities know that: - there are only 5/6 Super Rugby clubs, quotas mean there are only 8 spots per XV per franchise, so only 40-48 of them can start matches every weekend, if the go overseas they will also be limited by foreign player restrictions? They will give up on rugby totally.

Soccer has 16 PSL clubs, plus another 16 in the NFD. Rugby has the potential to be just as competitive and marketable, so increase the number of playing spots.

If they show rugby every weekend in SABC 2(or whatever channel with digitalisation full swing next year), and Supersport makes it available on Compact. Rugby will be even bigger, and sponsors will be fighting among themselves to get a piece of the action.


EDIT: Bafana Bafana are not the best international side, but players (both PSL&1st Division) get a lot of money due to TV rights, all of them are well paid - even Katlego Mphela is playing the 1st Divisioin and dating Pulane (some hot chick).

PSL pays very well R100K-300K on average per week). Mashamaite & Masango went overseas and is being paid less than what they got here. You offer a PSL club 2 million pounds or us$3, they'll tell you to go hang.
 
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MyBBOutkast said:
When you have universities and are constantly producing quality graduates what do you do? You increase employment opportunities. We can't assume that overseas jobs will always be available. So in the long run what do you think will happen to rugby in this country if the whities know that: - there are only 5/6 Super Rugby clubs, quotas mean there are only 8 spots per XV per franchise, so only 40-48 of them can start matches every weekend, if the go overseas they will also be limited by foreign player restrictions? They will give up on rugby totally.

Soccer has 16 PSL clubs, plus another 16 in the NFD. Rugby has the potential to be just as competitive and marketable, so increase the number of playing spots.

If they show rugby every weekend in SABC 2(or whatever channel with digitalisation full swing next year), and Supersport makes it available on Compact. Rugby will be even bigger, and sponsors will be fighting among themselves to get a piece of the action.


EDIT: Bafana Bafana are not the best international side, but players (both PSL&1st Division) get a lot of money due to TV rights, all of them are well paid - even Katlego Mphela is playing the 1st Divisioin and dating Pulane (some hot chick).

PSL pays very well R100K-300K on average per week). Mashamaite & Masango went overseas and is being paid less than what they got here. You offer a PSL club 2 million pounds or us$3, they'll tell you to go hang.
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You made sense until you got to the money amounts. The highest PSL salary is reported as R4 million per year or 77 000 per week. Other players make R10 000 or less per month. Our clubs can pay higher salaries than small EU leagues though.

The biggest transfer out of SA was Serero for €2.5 million.
 
cr@zydude said:
You made sense until you got to the money amounts. The highest PSL salary is reported as R4 million per year or 77 000 per week. Other players make R10 000 or less per month. Our clubs can pay higher salaries than small EU leagues though.

The biggest transfer out of SA was Serero for €2.5 million.
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Yeah I meant to say one month but had Europe's weekly wage setup. Having said that, a few KC&MS players earn more than R100k/week.
 
The best and easiest solution is similar to what New Zealand uses. If you want to play for the Springboks, you play in South Africa. Can't have your bread buttered on both sides. Prefer money above pride, you can go overseas but you won't be allowed to play for the Boks. Then once they've done all they can for the Boks and the country reaped all the benefits, they can go "retire" in luxury for 3-6 years in the UK/Japan/France. If we want to compromise, the Australia model can also work fine, where you earn the right to go play overseas whilst playing for the national team after a set amount of test caps.

This is the only way to keep our rugby strong in our country.
 
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The best and easiest solution is similar to what New Zealand uses. If you want to play for the Springboks, you play in South Africa. Can't have your bread buttered on both sides. Prefer money above pride, you can go overseas but you won't be allowed to play for the Boks. Then once they've done all they can for the Boks and the country reaped all the benefits, they can go "retire" in luxury for 3-6 years in the UK/Japan/France. If we want to compromise, the Australia model can also work fine, where you earn the right to go play overseas whilst playing for the national team after a set amount of test caps.

This is the only way to keep our rugby strong in our country.
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Just think the problem is we have great youngsters that is willing to stay but as soon as they don't get the call for the boks they leave Paul Willemse is a great example
 
I think the problem is not devaluing the jersey. It should not be easy to play for the national side. You should be willing to grind for several years at local level before you get a national call up. I think the problem is that a lot of youngsters want the national coach to play by there schedule.

Think about it to make the national side you literary have to be the best rugby player that is fit in the whole of the country (In your position.) Off course this level of skill should be hard to achieve. Off course there should be many good players that simply never achieve this standard.

That is not a failing of the system that is just ensuring the sport has high standards here.
 
CorrieDeBeer said:
I think the problem is not devaluing the jersey. It should not be easy to play for the national side. You should be willing to grind for several years at local level before you get a national call up. I think the problem is that a lot of youngsters want the national coach to play by there schedule.

Think about it to make the national side you literary have to be the best rugby player that is fit in the whole of the country (In your position.) Off course this level of skill should be hard to achieve. Off course there should be many good players that simply never achieve this standard.

That is not a failing of the system that is just ensuring the sport has high standards here.
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Yeah sure de Villiers was our best center in the RWC right? Being "the best rugby player that is fit in the whole of the country (In your position.)" as you put it? Same goes for Victor and Zane and Pienaar... would you like me to carry on?
 
Transformation will kill rugby in SA. Quotas pushes players away, the best usually the first to go.

We have seen what transformation did to Eskom.
 
Werner Harding said:
Yeah sure de Villiers was our best center in the RWC right? Being "the best rugby player that is fit in the whole of the country (In your position.)" as you put it? Same goes for Victor and Zane and Pienaar... would you like me to carry on?
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All those selections have been discussed to death on these forums. The coach picked them because he believed it was the best for the team.
 
instead of trying to horde all the rugby players coming from the country. resulting in not enough game time for all, create away teams that compete in overseas competitions during their seasons. 1 team in the european, japanese, american, etc. tournaments.

personally i think it would be great to support a "local team" in those foreign comps and it will be great experience wise for all
 
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instead of trying to horde all the rugby players coming from the country. resulting in not enough game time for all, create away teams that compete in overseas competitions during their seasons. 1 team in the european, japanese, american, etc. tournaments.

personally i think it would be great to support a "local team" in those foreign comps and it will be great experience wise for all
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Why would those leagues allow that?
 
cr@zydude said:
Why would those leagues allow that?
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the tournaments would attract move viewers/interests. player experience, referee experience, coaching experience. they would have teams playing in our comps too.


you make me wonder why they would not, its better than the rent a player rodeo at the moment.
 
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