Kettle fighting thread

Your latest is pair presumably quite new, seeing that you've earlier admitted that you cannot look after anything. Hence it is quite reasonable to think that they would be subject to the latest guidelines for adorning them with the necessary markings. The information presented on the nature of these markings is quite clear - you seem unable to interpret this.

My latest pair is quite new, but it's been a while since I bought the last batch, say towards the end of 2010. I don't know how long the hardware store was holding them in stock for, so maybe earlier in 2010. Then there's the wholesaler and the manufacturer's stock holdings, and the fact that cheap-ass OEM specs like these (that aren't targeted at UK sites demanding "that all specs meet ANSI Z87.01-2010") take a while longer to get upgraded; I'd say we'll see the 2010 standard on these glasses in 2014. You're right about the markings being clear; there is no marking for optical performance, because all samples must conform.

Do they say 99.9%? 99.9% of what, nogal?

**** knows. Who cares. They conform to the standard, which is all anyone needs.

Can you manage a wiki search? If you can, you'll learn that wavelength determines penetration, so leaving the longest wavelengths of the UV spectrum unaccounted for doesn't seem like much of a standard to me.

Firstly, those Afrox brochures aren't datasheets, they're advertising, written by coke'd up marketers far away from the coalface. Don't assume that because an ad man thinks standards are boring, that the product doesn't conform. If it's got the stamp, it conforms. Secondly, if "long wavelength protection" is important, it'll be in the standard.

I see you also battle with very basic logic... Light curves when travelling through transparent objects not 100% perpendicular to the source, or the receiving end in the case of your eyes. Your brain has not evolved to contend with wonky bits of perspex in front of your eyes, hence any optics that bend light in unexpected ways would necessarily strain both your eyes and your brain in their effort to compensate. It's not difficult to figure out - you can do it.

I understand the concept just fine, I just don't think that it's anything other than marketing FUD, if it's not in the standard. The standard was developed for glasses for continuous wear by serious users, playing with dangerous machinery. If anything could be added to the standard to improve safety, it would be.

I'm happily married to a stunning woman, thank you. You'll find your welding goggles probably play a role in you still 'looking for chicks'. How shallow.

So Oakley are good "pulling glasses" eh. Well I guess it depends on what type of woman you're after.

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Do you drive a Chery?

Chinese production, when not held to an independent measure of quality, is hardly a positive. When that independent measure of quality is only an industrial standard for workmen's eyewear which your fong kong welding goggles might meet, it hardly says anything about their ability to do anything more than keep errant bits of metal out of your peepers.

The fact that these are made by the millions means that any kinks in their lens design have already been worked out. The second plastic injection mould is build to compensate for any errors in the first, and so on with the third to seven hundredth. Your Oakleys, on the other hand, will ship whether the mould is perfect or not. At best the mould will be tweaked if there are any major errors, but there won't be any second mould - quantities are too low.

It doesn't matter where things are made these days. The Chinese work to western standards (Lenovo, Foxcon). Maybe you just don't know where to shop.

I mostly drive Toyotas, although I am occasionally seen in other cars and HCVs.
 
My latest pair is quite new, but it's been a while since I bought the last batch, say towards the end of 2010. I don't know how long the hardware store was holding them in stock for, so maybe earlier in 2010. Then there's the wholesaler and the manufacturer's stock holdings, and the fact that cheap-ass OEM specs like these (that aren't targeted at UK sites demanding "that all specs meet ANSI Z87.01-2010") take a while longer to get upgraded; I'd say we'll see the 2010 standard on these glasses in 2014. You're right about the markings being clear; there is no marking for optical performance, because all samples must conform.
You're really struggling with this bit, aren't you? As I mentioned in my prior edit, welding goggles are also subject to the same standard. So are clear safety glasses. When you get the opportunity, please take a pair of clear ANSI compliant goggles and go do some welding for a couple of hours. By your interpretation of which markings denote what degree of compliance, you should be fine.


**** knows. Who cares. They conform to the standard, which is all anyone needs.
...in order to enjoy the minimum standards set for workmen's eyewear, sure. I want a bit more when I'm out driving my family along at a 100 and plenty km/h, or when I'm in the bush looking for that last lion before we leave the Kruger. Oakley gives me that.


Firstly, those Afrox brochures aren't datasheets, they're advertising, written by coke'd up marketers far away from the coalface. Don't assume that because an ad man thinks standards are boring, that the product doesn't conform. If it's got the stamp, it conforms. Secondly, if "long wavelength protection" is important, it'll be in the standard.
Funny. The same company that you entrust the protection of your eyes to seemingly can't even be trusted to ensure the accuracy of their website. A website, presumably, designed to improve their business. Lazy ****ers. Wonder if they even had their eyewear tested.


I understand the concept just fine, I just don't think that it's anything other than marketing FUD, if it's not in the standard. The standard was developed for glasses for continuous wear by serious users, playing with dangerous machinery. If anything could be added to the standard to improve safety, it would be.
Nah, they can save a bit of 'R&D' by ensuring they only meet the minimum requirements set by industrial standards. Companies who churn out crap at the rate of millions will do anything to save a bit. At least with a properly engineered bit of eyewear you know you're giving your eyes as much protection as technology allows.


So Oakley are good "pulling glasses" eh. Well I guess it depends on what type of woman you're after.
One that's intelligent, witty, independent, able to hold a conversation, good looking & worth spending the rest of my life with, which is what I got. How's your 'chick'? Same level of comprehension as you?


The fact that these are made by the millions means that any kinks in their lens design have already been worked out. The second plastic injection mould is build to compensate for any errors in the first, and so on with the third to seven hundredth. Your Oakleys, on the other hand, will ship whether the mould is perfect or not. At best the mould will be tweaked if there are any major errors, but there won't be any second mould - quantities are too low.
Ever heard of quality control? Clearly not, as your crappy goggles only need to meet a minimum standard. Pay more for something and people expect a higher quality product. Good thing decent sunglasses aren't only held to the level of the minimum that's acceptable.

It doesn't matter where things are made these days. The Chinese work to western standards (Lenovo, Foxcon). Maybe you just don't know where to shop.
The Chinese only work to 'Western' standards when they are contracted to, or working for, a company with 'Western' standards, although standards being 'Western' is hardly an implied measure of quality by itself. In case you battle with comprehension again, we're talking the standards of quality companies hold themselves to here, not minimum-spec industry standards. Here's a Chinese standard for you:
[video=youtube;g5SRyG6UR2A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A[/video]

I mostly drive Toyotas, although I am occasionally seen in other cars and HCVs.
Somehow I'm not surprised...
 
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as long as the kettle doesn't need batteries, i don't mind which kettle it is as long as it boils my water.
but i prefer home made fudge to bought fudge, i prefer boutique fashion clothes to pep bought clothes, i prefer woolies biscuits to checkers or pick 'n pay biscuits. it's all a matter of taste. and it's my taste that counts and my money that pays for it :D
 
You're really struggling with this bit, aren't you? As I mentioned in my prior edit, welding goggles are also subject to the same standard. So are clear safety glasses. When you get the opportunity, please take a pair of clear ANSI compliant goggles and go do some welding for a couple of hours. By your interpretation of which markings denote what degree of compliance, you should be fine.
If I was going to do some welding, I'd look for a a pair marked "W and Shade Number". It will also conform to the optical performance requirements. The optical performance requirements that Pilot used in it's tests. Remember? They apply to all specs marked Z87. The welding protection clauses only apply to welding glasses. Get it?
...in order to enjoy the minimum standards set for workmen's eyewear, sure. I want a bit more when I'm out driving my family along at a 100 and plenty km/h, or when I'm in the bush looking for that last lion before we leave the Kruger. Oakley gives me that.
Workmen's eyewear is built "for continuous wear by serious users, playing with dangerous machinery" - 100km/h for an hour or two is less demanding than operating a crane with workers below for 8 hours straight. As an aside, I hate game drives. I'm sure Oakley gives you an acceptable quality product, but so does Afrox.
Funny. The same company that you entrust the protection of your eyes to seemingly can't even be trusted to ensure the accuracy of their website. A website, presumably, designed to improve their business. Lazy ****ers. Wonder if they even had their eyewear tested.
There's a difference between opening yourself up to litigation from false certification of eyewear, and making a brochure look pretty. I'm sure they've got the certification they need.
Nah, they can save a bit of 'R&D' by ensuring they only meet the minimum requirements set by industrial standards. Companies who churn out crap at the rate of millions will do anything to save a bit. At least with a properly engineered bit of eyewear you know you're giving your eyes as much protection as technology allows.
Compared to what? If you've got no standard, how do you know you're getting anything useful? Because the Oakley marketers told you so? I'll put my faith in the independent standards authority.
One that's intelligent, witty, independent, able to hold a conversation, good looking & worth spending the rest of my life with, which is what I got. How's your 'chick'? Same level of comprehension as you?
Woman like that don't exist. I'll settle for good looking and horny and able to finish a long island ice tea in under 20 minutes.
Ever heard of quality control? Clearly not, as your crappy goggles only need to meet a minimum standard. Pay more for something and people expect a higher quality product. Good thing decent sunglasses aren't only held to the level of the minimum that's acceptable.
Minimum standard doesn't mean low standard. You'd understand that if you've ever worked with standards before. Good sunglasses aren't held to any level. That's the whole point; they're sold based on your faith in a "brand" who's only objective is to maximise profits. From Leow YH, Tham SN. (1995, in the International Journal of Dermatology) "Expensive brands and polarizing sunglasses do not guarantee optimal UVA protection."
The Chinese only work to 'Western' standards when they are contracted to, or working for, a company with 'Western' standards, although standards being 'Western' is hardly an implied measure of quality by itself. Here's a Chinese standard for you:
[video=youtube;g5SRyG6UR2A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A[/video]
Are you suggesting that the Z87 standard is inadequate, or that the manufacturing is not meeting that standard? But you prefer your no-standards Oakleys?
Somehow I'm not surprised...

Ja, I'm not interested in flash. I prefer functional and anonymous.
 
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If I was going to do some welding, I'd look for a a pair marked "W and Shade Number". It will also conform to the optical performance requirements. The optical performance requirements that Pilot used in it's tests. Remember? They apply to all specs marked Z87. The welding protection clauses only apply to welding glasses. Get it?Workmen's eyewear is built "for continuous wear by serious users, playing with dangerous machinery" - 100km/h for an hour or two is less demanding than operating a crane with workers below for 8 hours straight. As an aside, I hate game drives. I'm sure Oakley gives you an acceptable quality product, but so does Afrox.
So glad we're back at the Private Pilot test. The tests are set up according to the ANSI standard; the level measured to is higher. An easy point to illustate: the worst performing sunglasses in that test was a model called Mystical made by Angel, whoever that is. Interesting thing is, according to the mighty google, all their shades also meet your ANSI standard. Seems they set the bar pretty low... being but the minimum acceptable measure it is.

Good thing some companies go above and beyond, especially those not catering to the industrial mass-market where only minimum standards apply. Your workers will be well served if you get yourself a pair of Oakleys and stop treating your shades like ****.

There's a difference between opening yourself up to litigation from false certification of eyewear, and making a brochure look pretty. I'm sure they've got the certification they need.
Yeah, the difference between litigation for false certification and litigation for false advertising. Guess we'll never really know, but hey as long as you trust your R29 goggles made in China to a minimum standard.

Compared to what? If you've got no standard, how do you know you're getting anything useful? Because the Oakley marketers told you so? I'll put my faith in the independent standards authority.
You don't follow long discussions well either, it seems. Oakley meet and exceed the same standards your goggles do. Unlike your minimum-standards-meeting goggles though, Oakley pride themselves on just how far their products exceed the standard. This can easily be ascertained by reading the information already provided.

Woman like that don't exist. I'll settle for good looking and horny.
Well, with 'woman' being singular, your entire sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If your eyes were better protected you might've been able to see all the women matching that description all around you. Alas, it seems you're doomed to flit from the one shallow 'poppie' to the next.

Minimum standard doesn't mean low standard. You'd understand that if you've ever worked with standards before. Good sunglasses aren't held to any level. That's the whole point; they're sold based on your faith in a "brand" who's only objective is to maximise profits. From Leow YH, Tham SN. (1995, in the International Journal of Dermatology) "Expensive brands and polarizing sunglasses do not guarantee optimal UVA protection."Are you suggesting that the Z87 standard is inadequate, or that the manufacturing is not meeting that standard? But you prefer your no-standards Oakleys?
Erm, no. By its very definition an industrial standard is a measure of lowest acceptability. As mentioned, Oakley meets these. It's mentioned quite specifically in a few of the links I've given you. It's nice to make mention of it, because it looks impressive to the type of person who thinks just meeting the minimum acceptable standard is a mark of excellence - that's Oakley marketing at work for you. For the rest of us, who bother researching things a bit further, it's quite easy to ascertain just how much better Oakleys are than everything else equal to or above the same standard.

Ja, I'm not interested in flash. I prefer functional and anonymous.
You think you do. Meanwhile everyone you walk past wonders whether they should help you look for your guide dog.
 
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It still use the same energy, it's just got a higher wattage element. Saves time tho.

Not necassarily since one kettle could be more efficient than another, which is why I'm waiting on people to post how long it takes their kettle to boil one liter of water, and what wattage their kettle is.
 
Guys bear in mind that depending on your location, the same kettle could take different times to boil. This is because of altitude.
 
So glad we're back at the Private Pilot test. The tests are set up according to the ANSI standard; the level measured to is higher. An easy point to illustate: the worst performing sunglasses in that test was a model called Mystical made by Angel, whoever that is. Interesting thing is, according to the mighty google, all their shades also meet your ANSI standard. Seems they set the bar pretty low... being but the minimum acceptable measure it is.

The Private Pilot tests were set up by journalists in order to sell magazines. They decided to quote the values they acquired as relative values probably to accentuate the differences in performance, thus sensationalising a non-story. If the bottom pair tested at -.24 D, and the top pair 0.03 D (out of what? 14?), no-one will read their article; so they deem the top pair to have a "score" of 100 and the bottom pair to have a "score" of 50 and make as if the bottom pair is a hazard to users, when it's not. Ask you optician sister whether a 0.24D lens in front of your eye will cause any discomfort or hazard.

My guess is that the professional standard setters at ANSI, an independent authority have decided that it will not pose any danger to professional users (people doing more dangerous things than driving a car on the highway) of products marked Z87. You claim that the bar is set pretty low, but you provide no evidence other than a private pilot rag and Oakley marketing material. Please prove that a score higher than that required by the standard is beneficial in any way. I require peer reviewed scientific papers, as I'm sure the people at ANSI would be able to provide, should you question their choice of minimum standard.

My Googleing returned this "Your search - z87 site:www.angeleyewear.com - did not match any documents." so where does Angel eyewear claim to pass the Z87 tests?

Good thing some companies go above and beyond, especially those not catering to the industrial mass-market where only minimum standards apply. Your workers will be well served if you get yourself a pair of Oakleys and stop treating your shades like ****.

You have no evidence saying that it's a good thing. If there was a market for a higher standard "for pilots, etc (lol)" why has no-one developed one?

As I've said, my shades are treated like **** because they're doing their job. Would you prefer me to remove them before I start grinding? :confused:

Yeah, the difference between litigation for false certification and litigation for false advertising. Guess we'll never really know, but hey as long as you trust your R29 goggles made in China to a minimum standard.

Who said anything about false advertising. If Afrox decides not to include every test it's glasses have passed on it's brochures, that's their choice.

And I've already said that I trust my R29 glasses made to a standard developed by American professionals.

You don't follow long discussions well either, it seems. Oakley meet and exceed the same standards your goggles do. Unlike your minimum-standards-meeting goggles though, Oakley pride themselves on just how far their products exceed the standard. This can easily be ascertained by reading the information already provided.

Oakley pride themselves on returns to shareholders. Everything else is just textbook FUD marketing. I could write a book on "The curse of brands" but I won't do that here.

Well, with 'woman' being singular, your entire sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If your eyes were better protected you might've been able to see all the women matching that description all around you. Alas, it seems you're doomed to flit from the one shallow 'poppie' to the next.

As opposed to the type that hooks you when she realises you'll spend money just to look good? <sarcasm> That's not shallow at all. </sarcasm>

Don't talk grammar rules to me. I make my money building tangible assets, not talking and writing bull****. For the record, I'm only looking for a woman, not women, although dykes are entertaining, but I guess I'd be happier with the same woman every night. Yeah right.:rolleyes:

Erm, no. By its very definition an industrial standard is a measure of lowest acceptability. As mentioned, Oakley meets these. It's mentioned quite specifically in a few of the links I've given you. It's nice to make mention of it, because it looks impressive to the type of person who thinks just meeting the minimum acceptable standard is a mark of excellence - that's Oakley marketing at work for you. For the rest of us, who bother researching things a bit further, it's quite easy to ascertain just how much better Oakleys are than everything else equal to or above the same standard.

Provide evidence for your claims that the standard too low and that Oakley's marketing isn't just classic FUD. See above.

You think you do. Meanwhile everyone you walk past wonders whether they should help you look for your guide dog.

I don't need to impress everyone I walk past, and when I do need to impress, I have my ways.;)

Edit: Since we were kicked out of the kettle thread for going off topic, I don't think it's unfair to kick the Kettle arguments back to that thread. Thanks Mods.
 
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Holy crap. It will appear that were this a real life debate people would indeed start throwing each other with boiling water.
 
Holy crap. It will appear that were this a real life debate people would indeed start throwing each other with boiling water.

I would soooo win that fight, since my kettle boils water the fastest!

How do I conclude that? Well my water boiled on Saturday already, a few minutes after I asked everyone to do the same. And I'm still waiting on a response from everyone. Therefore, my kettle is the bestest eva!! :D
 
I would soooo win that fight, since my kettle boils water the fastest!

How do I conclude that? Well my water boiled on Saturday already, a few minutes after I asked everyone to do the same. And I'm still waiting on a response from everyone. Therefore, my kettle is the bestest eva!! :D

Ahhh... But mine has the biggest volume. I would use a modified gas geyser in a fight like that.
 
Class is in session

My fingers are starting to get numb from all the googling... ;) A copy of the ANSI standard costs $57, which I'm not going to shell out to settle a petty argument, but I've dug around for some useful info: a lab report for a test conducted in accordance with Z87.1-2003 and a brochure from Uvex (incidentally also distributed by Afrox) detailing the changes from the 1989 standard to the 2003 standard. Perhaps you want to open these two for reference as we embark on this morning's lesson...
 
The Private Pilot tests were set up by journalists in order to sell magazines. ... Ask you optician sister whether a 0.24D lens in front of your eye will cause any discomfort or hazard.

I don't have to ask my sis; I remember a fair bit of it from reading her textbooks... Let's look at p.2 of the 2003 Private Pilot test, left-hand side...

The D would be dioptre - the scale that corrective lenses are measured on. If you wear glasses or contacts and you're familiar with your prescription, the +2.5 or -3.25 or whatever yours might be is expressed in dioptres. Meridian 1 and 2 would be this measurement taken across two planes on the lens - probably, but not necessarily, horizontally and vertically. Astigmatism would be the difference between these two measurements. It logically follows that any measurement ≠ 0 implies that the lens is changing your eyes' natural focal point. However the contacts I wear are available only in .5 increments, so these numbers are small enough that I'm happy to consider them irrelevant. It is the one measure where even the ANSI standard allows for very little variance...

If we look at the next set of data we see measures for prism correction, i.e. the amount that a lens would shift the apparent position of an observed point. If I recall a lens rated at 1Δ would shift the apparent position of a point by 1 unit for every 100 units between the lens and the observed point. It follows that a reading of 0 would be ideal. Interestingly ANSI Z87.1 allows for up to .5Δ with certain limitations - a little worrying, as it implies that something 200m away from you could appear a whole meter away from where it actually is. That could make driving at speed and/or long distance, or landing a plane, quite tricky. :) Never mind the implications for eye and brain strain if you need to observe far away objects for extended times, which your two eyes each perceive in different, but equally wrong, positions. Such goggles are probably acceptable for grinding something 50cm in front of your nose though.

I'm sure you can see the value of relative scores for people not at all familiar with these units of measurement.

Here's something: There is indeed an ANSI standard for non-industrial sunglasses - ANSI / Z80.3 - 2008, Nonprescription Sunglasses and Fashion Eyewear. Furthermore, as can be ascertained from this lab report, it seems the ANSI Z80.3 requirement for prism correction (footnote on p.7) is only half that of ANSI Z87.1 for industrial safety goggles... twice as stringent in other words. Must not be as important for factory workers to see things where things actually are as for people driving cars, hitting golf balls and flying planes...

The fact that the ANSI standard for resolution is merely 20 lines resolved on the NBS chart is just another indication that their primary function is that of impact protection. Do you seriously want to contend that having lenses that distort things half as much as the minimum standard for industrial use is not a benefit?

My guess is that the professional standard setters at ANSI, an independent authority ... should you question their choice of minimum standard.
Here's where things start getting funky for you... Let's look at the Scope and Purpose of the standard as detailed in Uvex's brochure; it kinda reads like it's quoted directly from the standard: "The objective of this Standard is to provide minimum requirements for eye and face protective devices" Minimum requirements. Heh. Taken with the information provided above, I'd say that's rather conclusive that any optics exceeding the minimum required performance of the ANSI standard would carry a proportional benefit; especially where physical protection isn't the primary concern. You probably shouldn't be driving with safety glasses. ;)

...where does Angel eyewear claim to pass the Z87 tests?
I must confess I didn't take note of where I came across it. It was an obscure .pdf from somewhere in the bowels of the Internet detailing a model produced by Angel in 2003. It was shoddy information, it was late, I was tired.

You have no evidence...
Pilots, special operatives, heck even golfers would have different, and in many cases more stringent, requirements for their eyewear than factory workers. They also aren't directly in line to be shafted by corporate industries like factory workers would be - anything to save a buck, you know. Those who are likely to be short-changed need standards to protect them, whilst keeping the resultant product as cheap as possible in order to encourage compliance. The rest of us can do some research in order to decide how to spend our money.

Perhaps you could enquire from the US Armed Forces why Oakley is standard issue - they could probably save up enough to float another couple of Nimitz-class carriers if they just convert to Afrox safety goggles.

...my shades are treated like **** ... Would you prefer me to remove them before I start grinding? :confused:
What about if I said ‘please’? Nah, keep them on. They'll do what they're designed to do when you're grinding something - offering you fantastic physical protection whilst not impairing your view so much that you lose a finger. And mine will do what they're designed to do - offering me comfort, almost perfect acuity, enhanced contrast, reduced glare and a polarised view of the world, whilst protecting my eyes from any random ball bearings travelling in my direction at 152 feet per second. :p

...that's their choice.
I must confess that you've taught me something - the stamp on your goggles would indeed mean that they've passed all the tests in the standard. I'll keep this in mind in future 'internet is serious business'-encounters...

...I trust my R29 glasses...
Made to a general industrial standard. One which states: Certain hazardous exposures are not covered in this standard. These include, but are not limited to: Bloodborne pathogens, X-rays, high energy particulate radiation, microwaves, radio-frequency radiation lasers, masers, and sports and recreation. Guess one would be well advised to look elsewhere for any eyewear required to do more than just offer the minimum acceptable level of protection and acuity that big industrial endeavours can get away with.

... FUD marketing... I could write a book...
As long as you're not talking late-night infomercials, not all marketing is FUD. Porsche build genuinely fantastic cars (as confirmed by independent tests), Nokia used to manufacture genuinely fantastic cellphones (as confirmed by independent tests), Oakley produce genuinely fantastic sunglasses (as confirmed by independent tests). If you've managed to rise above all others in your field, you might as well ride that fact for all the marketability it's worth. Add to that the power of personal experience, and subsequent word of mouth marketing, and before you know it you can have a brand like Porsche, Nokia or Oakley. Also, with your rampant apostrophe abuse, your editor would have nightmares.

<sarcasm>
Nah, I hadn't even bought my first pair of Oakleys when my wife and I started dating, and I buy my clothing at Mr Price... maybe my extraordinary large... erm... feet had something to do with it. :rolleyes: Leave the wife out of it, will ya?

... I make my money building tangible assets ...
Good for you. No, really...

For the record ... Yeah right.:rolleyes:
It's only fun until you realise the women will never let you join in. :p Do I sense some commitment issues?

Provide evidence...
Done and done.

I don't need to impress everyone I walk past ...
Looking like you need a guide dog, whilst deftly navigating around lamp posts like you don't? That'll get old. :D

... Thanks Mods.
To be fair, blu is pregnant & hormonal. I asked The_Librarian to shift our little boxing match this way to avert a possible wobble.
 
That ends today's lesson

So what have we learnt?
1. I was wrong about what the z87+ stamp implies. I apologise.
2. The standard covers minimum acceptable levels of protection for industrial use.
3. Some of the allowances in the standard are bit large, but taking into account the need for mass production and who the standard aims to protect this is understandable.
4. Some people have higher, or different, requirements than those addressed by (unrelated) industry standards. I prefer driving with polarised sunglasses; Oakley make the best available.
5. The ANSI 87.1 standard applies to "...those occupational and educational operations or processes where eye and face hazards exist." Not to driving. Not to golf. Not to game viewing. Not to spending a day at the beach. Not to shooting Talibunnies in the head. Not to not looking like a TIG welder on a lunch break.
6. Oakleys offer better optical precision and protection and acuity than R29 safety goggles because they are not designed to only offer the minimum acceptable level thereof whilst remaining cheap-as-chips for industry to equip their workers with. As a bonus they conform to ANSI impact standards.
7. Oakleys offer benefits beyond pose value.
8. Some people don’t buy Oakleys for pose value.
9. Seeing things where they are is rather important when you're dealing with distances... you know... outside.
** Bonus factoid **
Not all Oakleys cost R2,900 – you can buy yourself some fantastic eye protection, for when you aren’t grinding something, for less than R1k.
 
Meh, still dont know how long it takes your kettle to boil some water:(
 
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