Kettle fighting thread

TKD01 said:
I don't know about kettles, but the toast from a R500 Russel Hobb toaster bought from Woolies does taste better than toast from the R100 PnP toaster... LOL... :D
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Off course it would, more even browning to the correct depth without drying out the bread inside, repeatable with all slices exactly the same!

Just not the same argument tho as with boiling 500ml of water where only the time and economy due to "time taken before switch off" can differ, from the least to the most expensive kettle. No quality changes!
 
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enigma243 said:
So what have we learnt?
1. I was wrong about what the z87+ stamp implies. I apologise.
2. The standard covers minimum acceptable levels of protection for industrial use.
3. Some of the allowances in the standard are bit large, but taking into account the need for mass production and who the standard aims to protect this is understandable.
4. Some people have higher, or different, requirements than those addressed by (unrelated) industry standards. I prefer driving with polarised sunglasses; Oakley make the best available.
5. The ANSI 87.1 standard applies to "...those occupational and educational operations or processes where eye and face hazards exist." Not to driving. Not to golf. Not to game viewing. Not to spending a day at the beach. Not to shooting Talibunnies in the head. Not to not looking like a TIG welder on a lunch break.
6. Oakleys offer better optical precision and protection and acuity than R29 safety goggles because they are not designed to only offer the minimum acceptable level thereof whilst remaining cheap-as-chips for industry to equip their workers with. As a bonus they conform to ANSI impact standards.
7. Oakleys offer benefits beyond pose value.
8. Some people don’t buy Oakleys for pose value.
9. Seeing things where they are is rather important when you're dealing with distances... you know... outside.
** Bonus factoid **
Not all Oakleys cost R2,900 – you can buy yourself some fantastic eye protection, for when you aren’t grinding something, for less than R1k.
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If Z80 requires a higher standard, then I'll concede that Z87 is (slightly) lacking in one area, and that there is a benefit to that higher standard. That still doesn't mean that the mass produced safety goggles I wear would fail the Z80 tests. There is no reason for this sort of mass produced product to be anything less than perfect.

Oakleys may offer some minor improvements in definition and prismatic imbalance, but I'll only admit that they're worthwhile when I see a standard setting authority demand those standards. Especially something like definition, which can easily be tested; say "what's the furthest distance a licence plate is readable from." No fancy computer controlled HD camera tests at a higher resolution that my eyes can see. I doubt a pair of Oakleys would improve the distance by more than 3%.

What I've learnt from all this is:

1. 90% of the price of Oakleys can be assigned to "branding", 5% to "your look" and 5% to optical performance.

2.That you're paying about 100x more than I do, but only getting a 3%(?) improvement in some tests, and we still don't know at what point your eyes become the weak link.

3. That you've learnt a lot more about standards than about sunglasses. I had to study several dozen in a past life, and still keep a few continuously updated files in my office, so I know what they're all about. It is truly a pity that most people don't understand what an SABS (or even a Z87) mark means.

Tomorrow, I'll post a pic of my Ray-Bans. Then you'll understand why I don't buy expensive glasses.
 
3WA said:
Erm, this is the kettle fighting thread, and I don’t see you fighting.
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I am not a kettle, so I don't have to fight. But my money is on the red Kambrook kettle. Not championship stock like the others, so the odds are better.
 
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