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I'm comparing suvs, where I'm trying to look at the post service plan costs to run. The report is quite ineteresting and detailed. My particular focus area is the crossover section where the fortuner came out cheapest. What's interesting is how much more expensive the manual xtrail is to the auto rav4. It seems the clutch kit is what causes the increase in price with everything else being largely equal. As a result is a manual box really more expensive to maintain than a cvt/auto? Also surprised to see the maintemce costs on the Nissan so close to the Toyota. My perception was always that Toyota is cheaper while Nissan is expensive...
 
nadeem_k said:
Hi

I'm comparing suvs, where I'm trying to look at the post service plan costs to run. The report is quite ineteresting and detailed. My particular focus area is the crossover section where the fortuner came out cheapest. What's interesting is how much more expensive the manual xtrail is to the auto rav4. It seems the clutch kit is what causes the increase in price with everything else being largely equal. As a result is a manual box really more expensive to maintain than a cvt/auto? Also surprised to see the maintemce costs on the Nissan so close to the Toyota. My perception was always that Toyota is cheaper while Nissan is expensive...
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Mainstream (not premium) Japanese cars all have similar maintenance costs with the exception of Honda and Subaru.

The reason why CVT's are cheaper to maintain than manuals is because they don't have gears.
 
Sumen said:
Mainstream (not premium) Japanese cars all have similar maintenance costs with the exception of Honda and Subaru.

The reason why CVT's are cheaper to maintain than manuals is because they don't have gears.
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So cost of maintenance and services on Nissan and toyota would be similar then?

Would cvt be equally reliable?
 
nadeem_k said:
So cost of maintenance and services on Nissan and toyota would be similar then?

Would cvt be equally reliable?
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Similar to an extent but overall Toyota would still come out tops if you look at the bigger picture, i.e. spares availability from aftermarket suppliers, servicing after the service plans are expired, you will just have much more options on a Toyota than a Nissan.
 
thechamp said:
Similar to an extent but overall Toyota would still come out tops if you look at the bigger picture, i.e. spares availability from aftermarket suppliers, servicing after the service plans are expired, you will just have much more options on a Toyota than a Nissan.
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I guess the actual question is 2.5l xtrail or 2.0l rav4... It's about a 20% price difference (rav4 is more). Or a 1.6dci xtrail for the same price as the rav4. Both petrol are cvt and the diesel is manual
 
nadeem_k said:
So cost of maintenance and services on Nissan and toyota would be similar then?

Would cvt be equally reliable?
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Yep, fairly similar. But if you want an accurate answer contact the service department and find out servicing and maintenance costs for both vehicles before making a final decision.

I'm not sure how reliable CVT'S are ,unfortunately, but Nissan and a few other manufacturers have had CVT'S in their vehicles from 90's.
 
nadeem_k said:
I guess the actual question is 2.5l xtrail or 2.0l rav4... It's about a 20% price difference (rav4 is more). Or a 1.6dci xtrail for the same price as the rav4. Both petrol are cvt and the diesel is manual
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The Xtrail 1.6I would be nice with all that torque, however I would want to find out about the cost of the turbo, I did not see it on that Kinsey report.
 
If you plan to have the car only for 5 years, go cvt. They do not repair them, only replace them.
 
upup said:
If you plan to have the car only for 5 years, go cvt. They do not repair them, only replace them.
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I'm looking longer than 5, that's the reason for selling my current car. Would the cvt be covered on the warranty? The Nissan has 6 years 150 000km and the toyota can be extended to 8 years unlimited km for a extra cost
 
thechamp said:
The Xtrail 1.6I would be nice with all that torque, however I would want to find out about the cost of the turbo, I did not see it on that Kinsey report.
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Would the turbo not be covered on the warranty? I'm willing to sacrifice the torque for reliability and less out of pocket expenses
 
nadeem_k said:
Would the turbo not be covered on the warranty? I'm willing to sacrifice the torque for reliability and less out of pocket expenses
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It should be covered, however if you are planning to keep the car for longer it would be best to stick with the N.A. engines.
 
I hope in 5 years time you will ask witch electric car to buy. I am sure there will be people buying a second hand cvt. Buy the car you want, enjoy it, and take out a extended motor plan
 
upup said:
I hope in 5 years time you will ask witch electric car to buy. I am sure there will be people buying a second hand cvt. Buy the car you want, enjoy it, and take out a extended motor plan
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I think it is a good thing that there are still people who take time doing their homework before making an expensive purchase such as buying a car. You will never imagine how many people buy cars only to learn about the shortcomings after they have already bought the car.
 
upup said:
I hope in 5 years time you will ask witch electric car to buy. I am sure there will be people buying a second hand cvt. Buy the car you want, enjoy it, and take out a extended motor plan
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I agree. So my plan is to buy something I can keep for long enough that the next car is electric or with e hailing and autonomous vehicles we won't need to buy our own
 
thechamp said:
I think it is a good thing that there are still people who take time doing their homework before making an expensive purchase such as buying a car. You will never imagine how many people buy cars only to learn about the shortcomings after they have already bought the car.
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The thing I don't like is all the car reviews are very soft. All cars are great, the reviewer likes 90% of the car. We need more honest reviews so you know what you getting when you buy the car
 
upup said:
If you plan to have the car only for 5 years, go cvt. They do not repair them, only replace them.
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First I've heard of CVT's being non serviceable, have any info to back that up?
Agents perhaps may try the sorry we only replace the whole thing spiel but CVT gearboxes can definitely be repaired/rebuilt.
 
airborne said:
First I've heard of CVT's being non serviceable, have any info to back that up?
Agents perhaps may try the sorry we only replace the whole thing spiel but CVT gearboxes can definitely be repaired/rebuilt.
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Honda offer new or refurbish boxes. I am sure others are going to follow them
 
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