Kiwi businesses commit to 'no qualifications required' hiring

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A shortage of skilled workers and a rapidly changing employment environment has prompted New Zealand businesses to declare that they are willing to recruit people with no formal qualifications.

More than 100 companies have so far signed an open letter saying that tertiary qualifications are not required for a range of skilled roles in their workplaces.

Instead, they say they are willing to focus on assessing the skills, attitudes, motivation and adaptability of candidates.

The businesses include Xero, ASB, Fonterra, Microsoft and Vector.

The idea for the letter came from the Strategic Insights Panel, sponsored by ASB and KPMG, which brings together 30 business leaders who have a goal to help double GDP per capita growth from 1.5 per cent to 3 per cent by 2021.

Frances Valintine, who co-led the panel's talent initiative, said the aim was to grow the number of business signatories to 1000.

"Businesses across New Zealand are struggling to find talented employees that can bring enthusiasm, natural talent, passion and potential to their companies as qualifications do not always reflect the true capability of applicants," Valintine said.

"Solving the talent crisis requires bold new ways to match people, capability and jobs and I believe removing the fixed requirement for a formal qualification is a great first step."

Sometimes the demand for "contemporary knowledge" was such that businesses could not afford to wait while a candidate completed a degree, she said.

In many cases, the only formal qualification options were not yet available in New Zealand. "We've got one [role advertised] at the moment for a block chain adviser. But there is no formal programme in blockchain in New Zealand."

She said many businesses were already giving priority to other attributes, such as the ability to collaborate with others or communicate well, but were still advertising the need for a formal qualification when they recruited.

More people were changing careers later life, sometimes due to increasing digitisation or automation of their industries, she said.

The idea that they would all go back to university was not realistic. "Most don't have three years."

Instead, they could bring transferable skills and combine that with on-the-job training.

Rod Snodgrass, director of the Exponential Agency, said a three-year tertiary degree was still good for many things but not the answer for everything.

He said it was likely to become more of an issue.

When he was working at Spark, there were secondary students coming in to do software development after school, he said. "They had the right skills."

Trade Me is supporting the initiative with a new category of jobs that require no qualifications. To be listed, they must be skilled positions.

So far, roles listed include developers, business development managers and marketing positions. Spokeswoman Anna Miles said the jobs were "mid-to-high tier" in salary terms. "There are a lot of unfilled positions around NEw Zealand, [employers'] shouldn't narrow their focus unnecessarily."
 
I think that's a brilliant idea.

Not only will you teach people the skills required to do a certain function. That is all they will ever be able to do and have experience in. So they would probably stay at the business till retirement. Similar to what the Yskor/Iscor did years ago
 
Sponsored by KPMG? Oh flip, who got married this time?
 
I think it's pretty stupid the world doesn't work this way already. What is the one reason you'd want to hire someone? It's to do a particular task. Therefore whatever (albeit limited) means you use to try pick the best applicant, it should focus entirely on how well they are able to perform such a task. It might even be a bonus if they lack the qualifications of other applicants, as they'd probably be willing to start out with a lower salary and/or trial period.

I have had countless lecturers with PhD's in my life who are totally useless and gormless. It's folly to think qualifications imbue ability in some or other domain.
 
The best thing that could happen to the world's education system IMO is to get rid of university degree bundles and replace them with independently verified courses. Then once someone figures out a decentralised way of evaluating whether someone has covered the content of a youtube video or not, I could see undergraduate university courses disappearing for the most part.

The only thing left would be professional organisations and their requirements.
 
I have NZ recruiters on my ass at least twice a month.

Lots of the work seems like it would be interesting but NZ although beautiful, does come with its own embuggerances. Cost of living is very high and property is expensive and often poorly built.

Another concern is that with the influx of immigrant workers, you could easily find yourself in some kind of sausage factory setup wrt housing, car, insurance, etc. that isn't near optimal but is one of very few options available for various reasons.

Migrant labour has never been known for its glamour and fanciness, what's happening in NZ with tech positions now feels like it may be closer to a migrant labour setup than a bright new future in a beautiful place.
 
It's folly to think qualifications imbue ability in some or other domain.
True, but you are missing the point.

What qualifications do, is tell employers that you are capable of getting said qualification. By getting an engineering degree for example, you can show your employer that you are capable of learning difficult stuff in a high pressure environment. This is why banks and such love poaching engineering graduates for their management.
 
The best thing that could happen to the world's education system IMO is to get rid of university degree bundles and replace them with independently verified courses. Then once someone figures out a decentralised way of evaluating whether someone has covered the content of a youtube video or not, I could see undergraduate university courses disappearing for the most part.

The only thing left would be professional organisations and their requirements.

I disagree. There might be some value in what you're suggesting, but it's way too industry-specific.

The real value in most degrees of worth, is crafting an analytical way of thinking and the way in which you approach problems when solving them. Short courses focus purely on content.

If they're removing the degree requirement for skilled jobs, you can be sure that the guy who has a degree and the skills is going to be paid more...
 
I disagree. There might be some value in what you're suggesting, but it's way too industry-specific.

The real value in most degrees of worth, is crafting an analytical way of thinking and the way in which you approach problems when solving them. Short courses focus purely on content.

If they're removing the degree requirement for skilled jobs, you can be sure that the guy who has a degree and the skills is going to be paid more...
I disagree, all the experience you get from analytical thinking in degrees is from the doing the content in a structured manner. There is no reason why projects and such couldn't form a part of said courses.
 
Would love to apply for jobs there out of interest, but don't even know where to start.

Have had no luck with sites such as monster.
 
Would love to apply for jobs there out of interest, but don't even know where to start.

Have had no luck with sites such as monster.

Go there for a two week holiday, apply do interviews and if successful get the ball rolling. Best way to do it I think.
 
Go there for a two week holiday, apply do interviews and if successful get the ball rolling. Best way to do it I think.

Suppose that's an option. But you could have no luck once there, it may then feel like a holiday wasted.
 
True, but you are missing the point.

What qualifications do, is tell employers that you are capable of getting said qualification. By getting an engineering degree for example, you can show your employer that you are capable of learning difficult stuff in a high pressure environment. This is why banks and such love poaching engineering graduates for their management.

You're in for some subpar employees if you think that way. The majority of graduates I know are as useless after their studies as they were before. The ability to study night and day is not the same as being able to think well, take command, apply logic, make decisions quickly, communicate professionally, perform a task exceptionally and/or quickly etc.
 
You're in for some subpar employees if you think that way. The majority of graduates I know are as useless after their studies as they were before. The ability to study night and day is not the same as being able to think well, take command, apply logic, make decisions quickly, communicate professionally, perform a task exceptionally and/or quickly etc.

I am not too sure about which graduates you are talking about. If you are thinking gender studies or business management, I am 100% in agreement. However your non B.S degrees to teach people more than their coursework in the duration of the courses through projects and such.

The third year electronic design course that I took for example just about removes all the people who cannot do the things that you have mentioned due to its relative difficulty compared to previous courses. If you don't think well, take command, apply logic, make decisions quickly, communicate properly and perform exceptionally, your project will not work and it will fail.

This is a view shared by ABSA Capital.
He noted that engineering students could be as well equipped to deal with the requirements of financial professions as MBA, finance and commerce students.

“Engineers have good mathematical skills, superior practical nous and usually end up becoming as good, if not better, managers as their MBA and finance counterparts,” he said.

“Their skills would be useful in the main fields of data analysis for trading purposes and complex derivatives.”

Bagguley added that engineers were used to applying their skills under pressure and that it would make them suitable to adapt to the “highly pressurised” environment of banks’ trading floors.
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/investment-banker-may-hire-engineers-to-strengthen-financial-skills-2008-07-08/rep_id:4136
 
As all things in life, there is a middle ground. There is no need to only have the one or the other. I'm sure many jobs can be done well with some on the job training or short courses, great for them. The same will most certainly not apply to designing complex control systems, buildings, cars etc (barring a few exceptional individuals who skip varsity, mostly because they've actually been "studying" since a very young age)
 
You're in for some subpar employees if you think that way. The majority of graduates I know are as useless after their studies as they were before. The ability to study night and day is not the same as being able to think well, take command, apply logic, make decisions quickly, communicate professionally, perform a task exceptionally and/or quickly etc.

Couldn't agree more. My pet hate is PhDs, I've never seen a more entitled set of cannot do's.

Suppose that's an option. But you could have no luck once there, it may then feel like a holiday wasted.

What is your skillset? Maybe PM me and I can put you in touch with one of the recruiters I've ha contact with?
 
You're in for some subpar employees if you think that way. The majority of graduates I know are as useless after their studies as they were before. The ability to study night and day is not the same as being able to think well, take command, apply logic, make decisions quickly, communicate professionally, perform a task exceptionally and/or quickly etc.

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