Land audit to be based on race

Ahh ok, so if the deeds office doesn't record the race, then this audit can go and fsck itself.
 
Jakes147 said:
The deeds office stopped recording the race of property owners in 1994 so it would be of little help.
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So they would have to go one step further and cross-reference the people on the deeds to the other plethora of data that they have on everyone from other departments.

They have all the data that they need. They are just creating additional work by commissioning the acquisition of data that they already have. It's a symptom of a system that is poorly managed.
 
South Africa has a total surface area of 122 million hectares. As of March 2011 31 million hectares or 25% of that surface area was in the hands of the State. The remaining 91 million hectares or 75% of the surface area was privately owned. The balance of State and privately owned land varied greatly between provinces. For example in the great expanses of the Free State and the Northern Cape private owners held 89% and 91% of the surface area respectively. In both the Western Cape and Gauteng 55% was held by the State.

State owned land would previously have been regarded as part of the white owned 87%. It follows then that it should now be regarded as black owned, which means that at least a quarter of the country's surface area is in black hands. There is nothing preventing the State from handing title to much of that land to black people.

Since 1995 2.6 million hectares or the equivalent 2.1% of all land has been handed to blacks via land restitution programmes. This figure pushes the amount of land in black hands to at least 27.1%. In addition more than R5 billion was paid out to restitution claimants who accepted cash payments instead of having land returned to them. That R5 billion was sufficient to purchase an additional 2.6 million hectares which would have pushed the amount of land in black hands to just on 30%.

The land redistribution programme, which is a distinct programme from the land restitution programme, had by 2010 handed a further 3.1 million hectares, or 2.5% of the surface area, to black South Africans pushing up the share of black owned land to at least 32.5%. This figure is more than double that of the 13% often cited by government officials.

These calculations have not taken into account land traded in the market between private owners. This is because accurate data on the extent of such trades does not exist. There is significant anecdotal evidence that such trading between former white and new black landowners has taken place. Whether the amounts traded are equivalent to 10% or 15% or 20% of the surface area of the country cannot be known. However any of these figures would push the figure for black land ownership to between 40% and 50% of South Africa's surface area....................continues
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Well I paid for mine and continue to pay taxes - Fv<king racists.
 
Jakes147 said:
The deeds office stopped recording the race of property owners in 1994 so it would be of little help.
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Do they record ID numbers?

If 'yes' then it's a simple matter of cross-referencing their records with that of home affairs, or not?
 
I dont care how they collect the data and come up with their information, all im saying is it would be a good thing once we get a set of a validated data. No more BS about who owns what maybe then everyone can stop with their unfounded rhetoric when it comes to land distribution.

In most other countries this kind of information would be irrelevant but in South africa its used as a politicking tool to drum up the masses. All im saying is once the data is out there this will hopefully stop.
 
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Jakes147 said:
I dont care how they collect the data and come up with their information, all im saying is it would be a good thing once we get a set of a validated data. No more BS about who owns what maybe then everyone can stop with their unfounded rhetoric when it comes to land distribution.

In most other countries this kind of information would be irrelevant but in South africa its used as a politicking tool to drum up the masses. All im saying is once the data is out there this will hopefully stop.
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we HAVE a validated set of data... its called the Deeds Office.
 
According to the government's own admissions, black ownership of land (outside the previous bantustan homelands) stands at +/- 18%. This specifically excludes tracks of land making up 20% of the country that government owns directly.

That means that between the black government and black owned land, 38% is already in black hands. How the State hands over their 20% remains to be seen.

Above this the existing bantustan lands exist where white and foreign people still can't buy land at all. This land is run by traditional leadership. This amounts to a further 172,063 km2 (+/- 11%) of SA land:

Transkei 45,000 km²
Bophuthatswana 40, 000 km²
Venda 6,807 km²
Ciskei 7,700 km²
Gazankulu 7 484 km²
KwaNdebele 2 208 km²
KwaNgwane 3 917 km²
KwaZulu 36 074 km²
Lebowa 21 833 km²
QuaQua 1 040 km²

From the above figures it's patently obvious that about 48% of the land in SA is already under black ownership.

There is also the unaccounted percentage now owned by the empowered middle and upper class black folk in previously white SA neighbourhoods.

These ongoing rumblings are not about restitution for poor folk, it's all about expropriating well managed and commercially viable entities (currently owned by whites and foreigners) to enrich certain unscrupulous black politicians and their cronies as happened in Zimbabwe.

The result of this will be a failed land policy where little or no taxes will be earned from arable land produce, and less service delivery budget as a result. Food security will be further compromised, raising malnutrition and it's associated diseases which will be costly for the health care system to treat, and mass importation of foods, sending our money abroad.

Ironically, the white foreigners will be selling all the drugs and food to the country and continue to profit handsomely. LOL
 
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Jakes147 said:
I dont care how they collect the data and come up with their information, all im saying is it would be a good thing once we get a set of a validated data. No more BS about who owns what maybe then everyone can stop with their unfounded rhetoric when it comes to land distribution.

In most other countries this kind of information would be irrelevant but in South africa its used as a politicking tool to drum up the masses. All im saying is once the data is out there this will hopefully stop.
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If the data is found to be "unfavourable", it will likely never see the light of day.
 
Why can't I ever find Fudzy's posts in these threads.

Always looking for his [-] defending ANC policies [/-] "devils advocate" take on things.
 
I know lets do it for crime as well. By race.
Then crime race on race
Then crime one race on another.

Then we do it for car ownership
Lets do it for tax evasion
And corruption
And let's just do it because white guilt isn't wekking anymore.

Then we do it by specific crime.

Then we do it for IQ

Then..... . Lets say it matters because?

I don't know, I just know that if you do it by agenda you will find the bloody agents all reside within the dark forces. I just need to know who these dark forces are and what kind of stupid pills they supply the ANC.
 
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Thingyyyyyy said:
I know lets do it for crime as well. By race.
Then crime race on race
Then crime one race on another.

Then we do it for car ownership
Lets do it for tax evasion
And corruption
And let's just do it because white guilt isn't wekking anymore.

Then we do it by specific crime.

Then we do it for IQ

Then..... . Lets say it matters because?

I don't know, I just know that if you do it by agenda you will find the bloody agents all reside within the dark forces. I just need to know who these dark forces are and what kind of stupid pills they supply the ANC.

Or is
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Fan-bloody-tastic idea! But then again, see my post above about unfavourable.
 
Flanders said:
Fan-bloody-tastic idea! But then again, see my post above about unfavourable.
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Since we will all be receiving new ID cards. I will tick my race as African. **** them their mothers and the spawn that looked after them. I'm African deal with it.

I have long ago started doing that on all official documentation. I will now start making it official as in on my ID.
 
Africaner said:
Obviously this can't be true. Some people really want to discredit the ANC at every opportunity they have.
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And I will, because I am smarter than your retarded friends in power.
And note the term retard, I got that from a good friend of mine, a Zimbabwean national. That's what he thinks of this government, and I must say, he re raises a valid point.
 
Africaner said:
Obviously this can't be true. Some people really want to discredit the ANC at every opportunity they have.
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Are you closely related to Malema, Zuma, and Mad Bob Mugabe?

Sounds like it! Just because it seems you could not read the news I do this for your sake and for simplicity easing your pain.

The Department of Rural Development and Land Reform said part of the plan was to overhaul the land registration system in the deeds office and reintroduce the “racial classification” of ownership, which stopped in 1994.

This was announced by Mdu Shabane, the director-general of the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, while briefing the ad hoc committee on land reform on Monday.

The committee was set up earlier this year to co-ordinate and oversee the “reversing (of) the legacy of the Natives Land Act”.

Shabane said it was proposed that the process would be led by a land management commission, which would have the powers to subpoena all South Africans to provide information about their land holdings.

The commission would be set up in line with the Land Management Commission Bill, which the department was almost ready to submit for cabinet approval.

Shabane said it was also critical to determine how much land was owned by non-South Africans.

“We believe that as much as many argue that what non-South Africans own is insignificant, it may be strategic,” said Shabangu.

He said this land would be dealt with in the second phase of the land restitution process.

The government expects that thousands more claims will be submitted once the Restitution of Land Rights Amendment Bill becomes law.

The bill seeks to extend, from December 1998 to December 2018, the deadline for lodging land restitution claims.

Shabane said the land management commission would be led by a serving judge.
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/land-audit-to-be-based-on-race-1.1564934#.UhSDztLg6os"
 
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