Large increase in lost police guns

Sneeky

Sneeky

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and the government is worried about the legal weapons in publics hands, strewth this is unacceptable.

1 February 2008

The number of firearms lost by police officers or stolen from them has increased more than five-fold over a three-year period, Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula said today, in a written reply to a parliamentary question.

Nqakula said a total of 735 firearms were lost (310), stolen (166), or “not classified as lost or stolen” (259) in 2004/05.

In 2006/07, a total of 3,856 firearms were lost (1,635), stolen (593), or “not classified as lost or stolen” (1,628).

The total figure for 2005/06 was 2,297.

The firearms involved were pistols, revolvers, rifles, or shotguns.

Nqakula was responding to the DA’s Ryno King, who asked him, among other things, how many and what types of firearms of members of the SA Police Service were stolen, taken, lost and/or misplaced.

Asked whether any of these firearms had been recovered, Nqakula said 24 firearms had been “accounted for on the PAS as ’lost/found’ and has also been accounted for on the asset register” in 2005/2006 and 134 in 2006/2007.

Replying to a further question, Nqakula said the “period 30 April, 2005 to 27 August 2007 reflects a total number of 439 firearms which are still in the possession of members who left the service”.
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Wonder how many of these coppers lost their jobs, if any?

How are they supposed to look out for the public when they cannot even look after their firearms?
Bad training forcing people through and no discipline at all.
It is a shame.
 
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Same thing happened in the old Transkei but in an indepth investigation they found the majority sold the firearms to make some quick extra money. It would be interesting to see how many firearms are reported stolen on a friday or monday.
 
It would seem that some of these weapons are being used against the police. R1 and R5 assault rifles were used here in a cash in transit heist recently. This is scary stuff, but what do you expect when the head of the SAPS may be corrupt?
 
Piepalook said:
I wonder how many people will be robbed and killed with former police guns this year?
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Good question,

How many will it be, but they will never even say if a person was shot or killed by a stolen police fire arm, because it will put them in the spot light.
 
I remember the days of "township duty" in the army, when you had to tie your rifle to your web belt with a nylon cord because the rifles were getting "liberated" at quite a rate when backs were turned. All hell to pay and a court-martial if yours got stolen though!
 
rwenzori said:
I remember the days of "township duty" in the army, when you had to tie your rifle to your web belt with a nylon cord because the rifles were getting "liberated" at quite a rate when backs were turned. All hell to pay and a court-martial if yours got stolen though!
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And today its just OOPS!!! I lost it SORRY!!!
 
This is a very serious problem ,ill discipline ,incompetence....

Firearm is very important factor in violent crime,if the police can not catch thugs, at least make sure they dont have weapons.

.gov need to have a good plan to reduce the number of firearms in the hands of criminals and in the illegal market.

I say the gov should (somehow) buy them ,I read some stories ....R200 for a pistol in the black market ....... it will be the best money ever spent to reduce crime to buy them (destroy them ,or re-serial number them ,re-use in legal way....)

We need to clean up firearms in the criminal under world ,if we ever going to significantly reduce violent crime.
 
Sneeky said:
and the government is worried about the legal weapons in publics hands, strewth this is unacceptable.



Wonder how many of these coppers lost their jobs, if any?

How are they supposed to look out for the public when they cannot even look after their firearms?
Bad training forcing people through and no discipline at all.
It is a shame.
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nice :rolleyes:
 
Gooku said:
This is a very serious problem ,ill discipline ,incompetence....

Firearm is very important factor in violent crime,if the police can not catch thugs, at least make sure they dont have weapons.
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I am completely puzzled, how do you ensure thugs don't have guns? Can you give a working example?

.gov need to have a good plan to reduce the number of firearms in the hands of criminals and in the illegal market.
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What is a good plan that will work as advertised? I mean there is no point in talking bull here with pie in the sky stuff that impacts on law abiding citizens unless it can be shown to work is there?

I say the gov should (somehow) buy them ,I read some stories ....R200 for a pistol in the black market ....... it will be the best money ever spent to reduce crime to buy them (destroy them ,or re-serial number them ,re-use in legal way....)
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I can say without fear of contradiction that no government on this earth knows how to take guns from criminals. They can't take drugs away either or any other thing criminals want.

We need to clean up firearms in the criminal under world ,if we ever going to significantly reduce violent crime.
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And that is the crux of the matter people believe the bull**** without so much as thinking or checking the validity.

What we need to do is arrest and PUNISH the criminals. With a conviction rate of 6% what kind of message do you think this sends to criminals? Fear or laughter?

The root causes of crime are social problems not guns. Poverty, unemployment, disparity between rich and poor, housing, health, break down of the family unit, drug and alcohol abuse.... everyone of these has increased during ANC rule.

Yet the best the government can do is misdirect the SAPS into chasing guns instead of criminals. Incompetence or design?

Crimefree
 
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_fir_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

The difference in the chart
#1 South Africa
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#32 Singapore (almost impossible to find or buy illegal firearm in its country)

At present , the number of illegal firearms in SA still increases all the time .......lost,robbed,stolen...

there isnt an balancing act in reducing its numbers yet.

Both motive and weapon are elements in a violent crime, removing weapons can be just as effective as deter motives.
 
Ninja

Just as good , you are here...

Because in Japan ,civilian ownership of firearm is outlawed
that is why Japan is not even in the chart above (for gun violence)

Not even Ninja have guns. :)they use darts....
 
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