Latest TIOBE index shows Java in decline

[Johand]

You are as dense as the code that you write
Do you do hello world examples for a living?

import x.y.AbstractConsoleChatPlugin; public class ConsoleChat extends AbstractConsoleChatPlugin { public void onInput(String input){ if("exit".equalsIgnoreCase(input)){ consoleOut("Good bye"); } } public void onKeyPress(char key){ if(key == 'S') consoleOut("You pressed 'S'!"); } }

Your code is the kinda code that results in massive security holes in the end because you all gung-ho writing direct console string manipulation. And the fact that you write console type applications using Java shows no skill in selecting propper language for a solution. A bash script would have made much better sense.

I guess the modern professional way would be to run the Java code as a Function /Lambda in a server environment. This should obviously be behind an API gateway.

But you are right - this does require bash. So we need to create a docker image based on alpine/curl with a bash script to call the api and direct input and output to the it.

Obviously we then require a key vault.

Basic modern architecture to be WebScale.

 

[_TrXtR_]

But I thought Java is so secure?

Geez... tell me you dont know anything about software development without actually saying it....

 

[_TrXtR_]

You are right. We just use good secure libraries like log4j.

Really? So name your favourite language? If it's python, you made hacking famous because of all the security holes.
If it's C/C++ buffer overflow was invented.. I mean seriously that is a really bad argument.

And just a thought, the log4j issue required some really stupid architecture to make possible, it was not for just your every day logging. And you know... me ... doing all enterprisy things... we had massive systems, many many java systems... not a single one compromised or affected by the log4j issue.

Make stronger arguments for your fictitious argument.
It's developers that suck, not the languages. Are you a developer?

 

[konfab]

Really? So name your favourite language? If it's python, you made hacking famous because of all the security holes.
If it's C/C++ buffer overflow was invented.. I mean seriously that is a really bad argument.

And just a thought, the log4j issue required some really stupid architecture to make possible, it was not for just your every day logging. And you know... me ... doing all enterprisy things... we had massive systems, many many java systems... not a single one compromised or affected by the log4j issue.

Make stronger arguments for your fictitious argument.
It's developers that suck, not the languages. Are you a developer?

My favourite language is Scratch. It is so powerful you can even build operating systems in it, with zero security issues.

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/892602496

 

[_TrXtR_]

My favourite language is Scratch. It is so powerful you can even build operating systems in it, with zero security issues.

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/892602496

Ah Zero security issues Sure
I dont know it, and didnt look much, but it sounds like a scripting language... using a linux kernel... so it's kinda not a scratch thing by itself? you still need a linux kernel, so you still need to compile, so means you still using c/c++ and makefiles.

If the linux kernel has a security flaw, or c/c++ has a security flaw, then your scratch has a security flaw....

Oh a little google gave me

Scratch - Imagine, Program, Share

Make games, stories and interactive art with Scratch. (scratch.mit.edu)

scratch.mit.edu

Which is a discussion seeming to be about the team not focusing on security issues :/ it's september last year.. but yeah thats enough to take any clean record away.

 

[konfab]

Ah Zero security issues Sure
I dont know it, and didnt look much, but it sounds like a scripting language... using a linux kernel... so it's kinda not a scratch thing by itself? you still need a linux kernel, so you still need to compile, so means you still using c/c++ and makefiles.

If the linux kernel has a security flaw, or c/c++ has a security flaw, then your scratch has a security flaw....

Oh a little google gave me

Scratch - Imagine, Program, Share

Make games, stories and interactive art with Scratch. (scratch.mit.edu)

scratch.mit.edu

Which is a discussion seeming to be about the team not focusing on security issues :/ it's september last year.. but yeah thats enough to take any clean record away.

Oh I run my daily driver in a Scratch terminal running in said Linux kernel on top of Scratch. I repeat this process about 3 times until it is impossible for any malicious code to ever have access to real hardware. I bet your fancy JVM cannot do that.

 

[_TrXtR_]

Oh I run my daily driver in a Scratch terminal running in said Linux kernel on top of Scratch. I repeat this process about 3 times until it is impossible for any malicious code to ever have access to real hardware. I bet your fancy JVM cannot do that.

I'm confused. You are not aware java can run on a Linux kernel?
I can probably do what you are explaining in nearly any language. Gw-basic included

 

[konfab]

I'm confused. You are not aware java can run on a Linux kernel?
I can probably do what you are explaining in nearly any language. Gw-basic included

But can Linux run on the JVM?

 

[_TrXtR_]

But can Linux run on the JVM?

Yeah probably not much of an issue.
For a quick path, I could call javascript code from Java, so I could run the Linux kernel in javascript via rhino engine. Then rub docker image inside of that and run my Java. Else there's probably existing emulation work for Java that could run do it.

So not only can I do it, I can do it many different ways. The problem is thinking a single language is a glory of all things. It's not.
And take into consideration, your solution is not a one language solution, it depends on work from other languages.

 

[_TrXtR_]

But can Linux run on the JVM?

Oh. And a thought about... that you can do it in xxx language...
I can do it with msdos batch files.

 

[Johand]

But can Linux run on the JVM?

Does anything really ever RUN on the JVM? In my experience it is always more of a hobble.

 

[Harmonic]

My language penis is bigger than yours

 

[PaulGherkin]

Sheesh.. some Java people's feels are hurt in this thread

 

[_TrXtR_]

Sheesh.. some Java people's feels are hurt in this thread

Weird cause it seemed more like everyone was trying to make theirs look bigger than what it is.

 

[notayoba]

import java.awt.event.ActionEvent; import java.awt.event.ActionListener; import java.lang.reflect.Constructor; import java.lang.reflect.Field; import javax.swing.*; public class SuperObscureKeyPressExample { public static void main(String[] args) { try { // Use reflection to instantiate the controller and execute it Class<?> controllerClass = Class.forName("KeyPressController"); Constructor<?> controllerConstructor = controllerClass.getDeclaredConstructor(); Object controller = controllerConstructor.newInstance(); Field observerField = controllerClass.getDeclaredField("keyPressObserver"); KeyPressObserver observer = new ObscureKeyPressObserver(); observerField.set(controller, observer); controllerClass.getDeclaredMethod("startListening").invoke(controller); } catch (Exception e) { e.printStackTrace(); } } } class KeyPressEvent { private char key; public KeyPressEvent(char key) { this.key = key; } public char getKey() { return key; } } interface KeyPressObserver { void handleKeyPressEvent(KeyPressEvent event); } class ObscureKeyPressObserver implements KeyPressObserver { @Override public void handleKeyPressEvent(KeyPressEvent event) { char key = event.getKey(); CustomLogger.log("Good Riddance'!"); } } class KeyPressBean { private KeyPressObserver observer; public void addObserver(KeyPressObserver observer) { this.observer = observer; } public void notifyObserver(char key) { observer.handleKeyPressEvent(new KeyPressEvent(key)); } } class KeyPressListener { private KeyPressBean keyPressBean = new KeyPressBean(); public void startListening() { keyPressBean.addObserver(event -> { char key = event.getKey(); if (key == 'S' || key == 's') { CustomLogger.log("KeyPressListener: You pressed 'S'!"); } }); Timer timer = new Timer(0, new ActionListener() { @Override public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent e) { // Simulate key press events, remove this in a real application keyPressBean.notifyObserver('S'); } }); timer.start(); } } class KeyPressController { private KeyPressObserver keyPressObserver; public KeyPressController() { // Use reflection to inject the observer try { Class<?> observerClass = Class.forName("ObscureKeyPressObserver"); keyPressObserver = (KeyPressObserver) observerClass.getDeclaredConstructor().newInstance(); } catch (Exception e) { e.printStackTrace(); } } public void startListening() { // Start listening for key presses KeyPressListener listener = new KeyPressListener(); listener.startListening(); } } class CustomLogger { public static void log(String message) { System.out.println(message); } }

Getting PTSD flashbacks from dealing with a previous colleague. Ask him why so complicated, and he'll drone on about best practice, and pattern this and pattern that. Until a week later and he can't remember how it works, and I have to rewrite it as 2 lines.

 

[_TrXtR_]

Getting PTSD flashbacks from dealing with a previous colleague. Ask him why so complicated, and he'll drone on about best practice, and pattern this and pattern that. Until a week later and he can't remember how it works, and I have to rewrite it as 2 lines.

Cool story but I think this exactly makes my point.

Those big nasty scary patterns are usable in any language. Patterns is not an invention of Java... seriously. You can use them in c/c++.
Bad use of patterns might be more likely what you are talking about.

Note your example talks about a 2 line solution.
Doesn't sound like a problem that is suitable to be solved by Java. In fact I would question whether your mate was wasting the companies time.

It can only be newbs that complain about imports in Java.
Have you seen what a .h file looks like for c++? You ain't seen nothing.
All these examples and points you all make are irrelevant. Silly scenarios for silly people that use wrong tools to do things.

This is why Python exists. Stick to Python.

 

[notayoba]

Cool story but I think this exactly makes my point.

Those big nasty scary patterns are usable in any language. Patterns is not an invention of Java... seriously. You can use them in c/c++.
Bad use of patterns might be more likely what you are talking about.

Note your example talks about a 2 line solution.
Doesn't sound like a problem that is suitable to be solved by Java. In fact I would question whether your mate was wasting the companies time.

It can only be newbs that complain about imports in Java.
Have you seen what a .h file looks like for c++? You ain't seen nothing.
All these examples and points you all make are irrelevant. Silly scenarios for silly people that use wrong tools to do things.

This is why Python exists. Stick to Python.

You appear to be touched on the studio and rambling on about unrelated things.

 

[konfab]

Cool story but I think this exactly makes my point.

Those big nasty scary patterns are usable in any language. Patterns is not an invention of Java... seriously. You can use them in c/c++.
Bad use of patterns might be more likely what you are talking about.

Note your example talks about a 2 line solution.
Doesn't sound like a problem that is suitable to be solved by Java. In fact I would question whether your mate was wasting the companies time.

It can only be newbs that complain about imports in Java.
Have you seen what a .h file looks like for c++? You ain't seen nothing.
All these examples and points you all make are irrelevant. Silly scenarios for silly people that use wrong tools to do things.

This is why Python exists. Stick to Python.

 

[konfab]

You appear to be touched on the studio and rambling on about unrelated things.

Poor man is so deep in the JVM that everything looks like an AbstractBeanFactory.

 

[Harmonic]

Poor man is so deep in the JVM that everything looks like an AbstractBeanFactory.

I'll just leave this here