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Hello

I've worked on vb6/c# and it's not that hard to do similar stuff in another language once you just know the syntax differences.

My question is, does the same apply for php/asp.net?
I know that html/css is common between those, also I program in procedural style and have been told that oop is different in .net compared to vb which is why I'm asking are there major differences between php/asp.net or
is the skill transferable from one to the other?

Thanks
 
Skill is always transferable. If you know logic, then proceed. Else, you just copy and paste anyway huh? ;)

If you've done C# then you won't struggle much (if at all, maybe none) in tackling ASP.NET or PHP. But if you've never worked with OOP then you're in for a steep learning curve. Well worth it though.

C# is more or less the same type of markup than PHP
 
AcidRaZor said:
Skill is always transferable. If you know logic, then proceed. Else, you just copy and paste anyway huh? ;)

If you've done C# then you won't struggle much (if at all, maybe none) in tackling ASP.NET or PHP. But if you've never worked with OOP then you're in for a steep learning curve. Well worth it though.

C# is more or less the same type of markup than PHP
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Why are C# devs paid so much less than php devs? (from what I have seen). The friend of mine that knows PHP well turned down a 70k a month job to work in Jozi. Now if he turned it down.. Im like... wtf is he making now!
 
VG008 said:
That is quite a bit for a web developer, unless it was a management position.
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Quality PHP developers (who aren't bogged down by other projects/jobs) are near impossible to find - at least a year or two ago when I tried..
 
a dedicated php web dev will never earn R70K a month
 
ghoti said:
Why are C# devs paid so much less than php devs? (from what I have seen). The friend of mine that knows PHP well turned down a 70k a month job to work in Jozi. Now if he turned it down.. Im like... wtf is he making now!
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70k p/m? I dont think php developer will come close to that. Maybe cobol developer.

Maybe if he was going to be a manager.
 
VG008 said:
That is quite a bit for a web developer, unless it was a management position.
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Cool E said:
70k p/m? I dont think php developer will come close to that. Maybe cobol developer.

Maybe if he was going to be a manager.
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I dont think it was management, but I do know he would have had to travel to other countries in Africa as part of his job. I just spoke to him on gtalk and asked him why he didnt wanna take the job. He said because his own consultancy business is doing close to that in East London, and its not worth moving away from the ocean for. His words, lol.

_kabal_ said:
a dedicated php web dev will never earn R70K a month
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He makes mostly web applications for business and government. Ive often seen him charge 100k for a project. So for me its very believable. He also finances a business venture I am involved with him with and its costing a lot, so I know he has deep pockets as well from his work. He only devs php, though sometimes makes android apps.
 
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A senior PHP dev in Jozi will be lucky to get around R40K. The average is closer to R30K. This simply due to the massive amounts of PHP devs, most of them being useless.
 
Charging 100-135k a project is the norm, especially if it's a web application project.

If his consultancy business is doing well I doubt that he'd be looking for anything that will require him to be on the job 24/7 almost.

C# vs PHP in terms of money, the only reason for that is because you can't certify in PHP AFAIK. With C# there's standardized tests/certificates.

Much like the gap between having a varsity degree and not regardless of experience
 
cbrunsdonza said:
State Dept

For us in the normal market, we wish
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Most of his contracts come from private business (custom accountancy or audit applications or whatever). I think he does 20k a month for government on a "retainer" SLA they pay him. There is a massive shortage of good php skills in EL.
 
Roo! said:
A senior PHP dev in Jozi will be lucky to get around R40K. The average is closer to R30K. This simply due to the massive amounts of PHP devs, most of them being useless.
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There is a shift in the market but I do agree with AcidRazor. Without industry standards (yet to met a PHP dev with Zend certifcations), anybody can call themselves a PHP dev and as such the market is saturated.

But, unlike other fields seniors stay on in their field, PHP devs tend to move on before they get to that level. There is a massive shortage of PHP senior devs and why I stayed on in the field as I was able to call myself a true senior this year. The money is good and its getting better for us, but it will still be a few years before we get close to other fields.
 
Roo! said:
A senior PHP dev in Jozi will be lucky to get around R40K. The average is closer to R30K. This simply due to the massive amounts of PHP devs, most of them being useless.
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Yea but it's not only in that field, any field really. People LIE constantly about their skills et and end up in jobs they can barely cope with and **** up more than they fix
 
ghoti said:
He makes mostly web applications for business and government. Ive often seen him charge 100k for a project. So for me its very believable. He also finances a business venture I am involved with him with and its costing a lot, so I know he has deep pockets as well from his work. He only devs php, though sometimes makes android apps.
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Yes, 100K a project is the norm but then it needs to get out within a calendar month if anybody wants to make money. A good PHP dev is going to cost you R20K per month and a good HTML rockstar also R20K. Add in your UX designer, graphics designer, SEO expert, your copyrighters and social media guys, and your going to make about R10K off the project.

And this is just using experienced staff, not senior.

Reason why I wont work for myself as a web designer/developer.
 
AcidRaZor said:
Yea but it's not only in that field, any field really. People LIE constantly about their skills et and end up in jobs they can barely cope with and **** up more than they fix
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+1

But its a small world as the tosser at my previous job is going to find out when he is without a job soon. Half the industry already knows how I blew his cover and he cannot code to save his life.
 
I have not researched this, but what would be a major reason for choosing either php/asp.net for a project?
Is it a skills issue or cost of the dev environment or something else?
 
The problem I find is that with 15 years of web dev experience (of which 10 years is with PHP) I'm too skilled. The usual company logic is "Why pay for 15 years when you can get away with 3-5 years? What can 15 years really bring to the table?". My thinking is those companies deserve what they get ;)
 
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