Leaving PC on or Switching off and on..

kaisterkai

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It is true that leaving you computer on the whole time is better than switching it on and off?

Not talking about saving money and that.. Just want to know for the health of the PC..

Thanks
 
I think if you turned it on and off 490 times a day maybe... but you shouldn't be concerned for normal use. Plus even if it is, you will prob save enough in electricity to buy a new part to replace the failed component.
 
how do you find out how much power a PC is using in different states?
 
how do you find out how much power a PC is using in different states?

Very tricky without a power meter. As a guesstimate (excl monitor + sound):
Full load : CPU + GPU TDP + 75W (mobo) + everything else (very dependant on number of HDDs + fans)
Low load : CPU TDP/2 + 30W (GPU idle, can be less, model dependant) + 25-50W mobo + everything else
Sleep (S3) : 10W max (trickles power to RAM to keep the info stored, keyboard/mouse/lan ports still active for waking the machine)
Hibernate (S4): ~0W, everything is written to disk and only the power button will put it back on.

I know on some motherboards there are (highly inaccurate) power meters that you'll be able to view from CPUID Hardware Monitor as well

I just let my PC sleep, and then eventually hibernate (S3 wakes faster than S4)
 
My pc stays on for weeks sometimes even months. I want to use my pc when I want to and waiting for it to startup and all that.

I just restart occasionally to refresh the ram for performance. other than that my pc stays on. Longest was like just more than 1 month.
 
I think if you turned it on and off 490 times a day maybe... but you shouldn't be concerned for normal use. Plus even if it is, you will prob save enough in electricity to buy a new part to replace the failed component.

Yeah.. Like PC is on when I use it in the afternoons, and switches off when i sleep...

That is normal..
 
Very tricky without a power meter. As a guesstimate (excl monitor + sound):
Full load : CPU + GPU TDP + 75W (mobo) + everything else (very dependant on number of HDDs + fans)
Low load : CPU TDP/2 + 30W (GPU idle, can be less, model dependant) + 25-50W mobo + everything else
Sleep (S3) : 10W max (trickles power to RAM to keep the info stored, keyboard/mouse/lan ports still active for waking the machine)
Hibernate (S4): ~0W, everything is written to disk and only the power button will put it back on.

I know on some motherboards there are (highly inaccurate) power meters that you'll be able to view from CPUID Hardware Monitor as well

I just let my PC sleep, and then eventually hibernate (S3 wakes faster than S4)

Then it's better to leave it on sleep?

But sleep.. can't you download while computer is sleeping?
 
I use a laptop and i never shut it down. I just shut the lid which puts it to sleep i think. What i do is to try and power cycle my battery as much as possible. Use the mains until the battery is fully charged and use battery until it's at about 10%.

Does this help the battery life or is it making it worse?
 
I use a laptop and i never shut it down. I just shut the lid which puts it to sleep i think. What i do is to try and power cycle my battery as much as possible. Use the mains until the battery is fully charged and use battery until it's at about 10%.

Does this help the battery life or is it making it worse?

It sounds like your laptop is always plugged into the mains. In that case, rather remove the battery altogether. That way you'll save the battery from all these cycles which slowly kill it. It'll be good if you have a UPS of course, as then if the mains go down you still have power.
 
Then it's better to leave it on sleep?

But sleep.. can't you download while computer is sleeping?
Its more convenient for me, and it doesnt use that much power. No downloading while PC is in S3 sleep. S2, which uses a lot more power, you can

I use a laptop and i never shut it down. I just shut the lid which puts it to sleep i think. What i do is to try and power cycle my battery as much as possible. Use the mains until the battery is fully charged and use battery until it's at about 10%.

Does this help the battery life or is it making it worse?
New laptop batteries should NOT be fully discharged regularly, it damages them. About once a month is fine.
 
I have a netbook for long downloads (my netbook gets around 7 hours if I leave it on with utorrent)...I bought it to save my desktop and I think it works like a bomb especially since I can also have a quick browse on the loo!.

Personally I like sleeping or hibernating...I really think leaving it on 24 7 is a little overkill unless you're downloading constantly. I'd say it depends on what you're expecting your PC to do while unattended.
 
I use a laptop and i never shut it down. I just shut the lid which puts it to sleep i think. What i do is to try and power cycle my battery as much as possible. Use the mains until the battery is fully charged and use battery until it's at about 10%.

Does this help the battery life or is it making it worse?

According to what I've read on apples website, deep cycles is what reduces your battery life. Apple battery's are estimated to retain 80% of their charge for 1000 cycles. My macbook's battery cycle count is on 123, and it's 1.6 years old.

"The battery needs to be recalibrated from time to time to keep the onscreen battery time and percent display accurate and to keep the battery operating at maximum efficiency. You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month."
source: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1490
 
My Samsung has an "Extended life facility" which,when enabled only charges to 80% and stops charging when connected to mains supply.
 
Kaisterkai, here's the lowdown:

The single biggest killer of electronic and electro-mechanical devices is thermal cycling, ie the heat-up/cool-down cycles that go with powering up and powering down. This places strain on solder joints, contacts, bearings, &c and this can shorten the life of components and connections. Every time a PC powers up current flows through a myriad minute connectors, which heat up and expand microscopically; when you power down, the connectors cool down. You get a cycle of expansions and contractions. Over time some tiny joints and connectors can develop a microscopic hairline crack but still remain connected, which mean the same current has to flow through an even tinier connection, which causes more heat (and expansion) and increases the odds of failure. Eventually the connection/joint fails completely, and your device develops a fault.

HDDs also struggle with power-on/power-off cycles, or more specifically heat-up/cool-down cycles. Cold drives powering up experience trmendous strain on bearings and small mechanical components, which are designed and manufactured to run optimally at their normal operating temps, ie they are made to be looser and slacker when cold so that when they reach operating temp the metal components expand to the correct tolerances.

It's to overcome thermal cycling problems that some sensitive components and devices have a "stand-by" function. CRTs are particularly prone to thermal cycling failures.

That said, modern components and HDDs are pretty reliable, and there's no real need to worry too much about this.

Still, all my PCs stay on 24/7 (unless being moved), particularly for the sake of the HDDs.
 
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Kaisterkai, here's the lowdown:

The single biggest killer of electronic and electro-mechanical devices is thermal cycling, ie the heat-up/cool-down cycles that go with powering up and powering down. This places strain on solder joints, contacts, bearings, &c and this can shorten the life of components and connections. Every time a PC powers up current flows through a myriad minute connectors, which heat up and expand microscopically; when you power down, the connectors cool down. You get a cycle of expansions and contractions. Over time some tiny joints and connectors can develop a microscopic hairline crack but still remain connected, which mean the same current has to flow through an even tinier connection, which causes more heat (and expansion) and increases the odds of failure. Eventually the connection/joint fails completely, and your device develops a fault.

HDDs also struggle with power-on/power-off cycles, or more specifically heat-up/cool-down cycles. Cold drives powering up experience trmendous strain on bearings and small mechanical components, which are designed and manufactured to run optimally at their normal operating temps, ie they are made to be looser and slacker when cold so that when they reach operating temp the metal components expand to the correct tolerances.

It's to overcome thermal cycling problems that some sensitive components and devices have a "stand-by" function. CRTs are particularly prone to thermal cycling failures.

That said, modern components and HDDs are pretty reliable, and there's no real need to worry too much about this.

Still, all my PCs stay on 24/7 (unless being moved), particularly for the sake of the HDDs.

Thanks for the explaination..

But does that also apply to SSD?

I don't have one, but just asking for interest sake..

I guess I'll put my computer on stand by from now on.. Thanks.. :)
 
I have a netbook for long downloads (my netbook gets around 7 hours if I leave it on with utorrent)...I bought it to save my desktop and I think it works like a bomb especially since I can also have a quick browse on the loo!.

Personally I like sleeping or hibernating...I really think leaving it on 24 7 is a little overkill unless you're downloading constantly. I'd say it depends on what you're expecting your PC to do while unattended.


Leaving you Note book? That's mad lol.. I don't think I'll ever do that.. I mean aren't laptops more expensive?

Current what I use for downloading are like SUPER old computers.. that if it breaks.. it doesn't matter..

So yeah..
 
I have three desktop workstations running 24/7/365 - Depending of course on Eskom/$hittyOfTshwane's ability to supply the required electricity. The monitor switches off after 10 minutes and all are connected to a decent UPS. Idle time is spent crunching SETI (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/) data. The one workstation is very old, used mainly as a print server and has a Quantum Bigfoot 20Gb hard drive in it. This has been running since sometime around 1998. I am a supporter of leaving a desktop workstation on permanently.
 
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HDDs also struggle with power-on/power-off cycles, or more specifically heat-up/cool-down cycles. Cold drives powering up experience trmendous strain on bearings and small mechanical components, which are designed and manufactured to run optimally at their normal operating temps, ie they are made to be looser and slacker when cold so that when they reach operating temp the metal components expand to the correct tolerances.

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That said, modern components and HDDs are pretty reliable, and there's no real need to worry too much about this.

Still, all my PCs stay on 24/7 (unless being moved), particularly for the sake of the HDDs.

So this win7 power saving feature, that turns off HDDs after a certiain amount of time, is a bad thing for their health? :erm:
 
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