Lies Sentech are telling journalists.

[Inevitable]

Well i reckon 90% of sentech users are downloading illegal stuff and sentech are gonna have big problems enforcing this AUP coz they will be enforcing it on just about every1!

Glory Glory Man United!

 

[TrXtR]

You all might hate me for this (if you dont read everyhing).
Just outa interist, from someone I spoke to, I hear 100Gigs have been reached per month by some people.
There are only soo many linux distros

When it comes to the AUP, it's their fault that they did not take action earlier. So if they take action against anyone now, I think they can loose out. Because they have been conditioning everyone to think that what they are doing is acceptable, else the AUP wouldve come to get them. So if someone get's told they are going against the AUP, I think it's highly possible you can say 'no I'm not' and take them on. And , I can even be totally wrong about this.

But, I wouldnt mind the AUP hitting the people that do 100Gig's per month, that's quite a nasty amount.
I mean, I just wanted 2 download 3.5Gig's a couple of months ago. And well, it took me a whole 3 months.(There's a reason I say this, I hate them for downloading 30 times more than me)

If for some random odd remotely possible fictional romantic reason out there, that thieir speed problems really are about people downloading too much, Then it's their fault. Not ours. It's quite easy blaming the public, but they have a contract, and from what Ive read, they can cut our nuts off any time they want. And they didnt. So whatever nonsense they make up. It's theire fault.

 

[Luke7777]

What I couldn't determine up to now, and maybe I'm just stupid, is exactly how their contention works. It's fine for Sentech to say 30:1, BUT where do they apply this ? At the tower or somewhere else along the pipeline (hosepipe more likely) to Sentech ? If, for argument sake, a tower can handle 1 mb, and 8 users (with 128k packages) are active on that node/tower, would that equal 8 connections of 128 kb each, or does ST "fill up" the first 128kb, up to the allowed contention of 30:1 before moving to the next 128kb. Anybody that can clarify this for me ?

128K|21%|13SNL|66 Menlopark 2530

 

[kbentz]

sentech! not all downloads are illegal, not all p2p is illegal. surprising enuf there is legal stuff to download out there.

can just imagine how its like inside the bowels of this beast... they cant access any nonsentech site from the office pc's, they get blocked by webmarshal left right and centre each time they type www, and now they think they can control us too???

how can sentech prove what is legal and not? impossible

 

[regardtv]

Actually Inevitable - I think you may be sadly mistaken.

Quite a number of us use this (dis)service for legitimate purposes. Just finished pulling in the latest ISO's for a linux distribution ... actualy averaged above 6K ... WOW

R

 

[TheRoDent]

This, is why I told Marcel Raath, to shape the abusive traffic. It's the only way to properly deal with the problem. They can't tell what p2p traffic is legit, and which isn't, and their advertising states "unlimited internet access" so they can't start capping us.

They also can't have a "slow" service, so the only option left to them is to shape abusive traffic to acceptable levels.

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[ConDamage]

I don't see how they can blame the poor speed on large download users. If we can't even get 128k from home to the network and based on the wardrive results, how the hell can anyone d/l big files at a speed high enough to affect users? I think some d00s at sentech is using 80% of the bw for himself to continuously download sodomite porn.

 

[aftermath]

God I'm glad I cancelled. Already got my money back for July, some guy from Sentech is fetching the modem today or tommorrow. No caps on ISDN. Still the best way with callmore to connect in this backwards monoply.....

 

[Inevitable]

i dont think many PC users with sentech are downloading stuff for Linux

Glory Glory Man United!

 

[Inevitable]

and then again how do u shape p2p if there is alot of legal downloads.Wont shaping it affect legal downloads aswell?

Glory Glory Man United!

 

[Cloud]

if ur package that u pay for allows u to download such amounts why should it not be allowed? i'd like to hear from noone, our notorious porn-addict, how his speeds are lately, since he is on the 512k package. wonder how much he's done in a month.

anyway, if u pay R1.5 a month for 512k then why shouldn't u be allowed to download as much as u want.

i await the flames...

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death - life is only a dream - and we're the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks

 

[regardtv]

Active traffic shaping for abusive traffic is probably not a problem...

Note ACTIVE shaping ... ie packet type inspection !

If shaping is simply done based on destination/origination port numbers this is going to be useless.

As an example, a large proportion of the work I do utilises tcp ports 10000,4096-4109,8810 and 8881.
If those get throttled to nothing the service would be useless to me as individual.
While traffic on those ports would not be excessive by any means, Telkom currently allocates these ports WAY down the line from a bandwidth point of view.

Also note that the LARGE download quoted by Sentech in unoffical discussions - aroung 100GB for a single "user account" was exactly that ... I user account - not a single USER. What has been happening is that 512K accounts are doing the rounds and shared amongst individuals... I believe this has been fixed ;=)

I wonder if Sentech would be willing to let their technical teams meet with mebers of the forum - instead of the marketing teams ? ... Rodent ... could you ask ?

R

 

[guest2013-1]

My bandwidth usage range from 1 gig a month to 12 gig a month, the whole idea is not being capped so I can download whatever I want whenever I want, and I thought by bringing out these packages, Sentech priced them accordingly KNOWING VERY WELL that people would download consistantly with the connection, be it illegal or not. They have no right to come tell me that my LEGAL downloads (for work related purposes) has to stop, if I had a serious problem with speeds like the rest of you I'd freaking cancel now...

Help save the bandwidth. Decent download speeds for TheRodent! Stop downloading now!!!

 

[regardtv]

As an aside this is one of my pet peeves where ADSL's shaping is concerned.

I'm not sure if this has been changed to a more active packet inspection - "feels" better online ... need to find out.

R

 

[guest2013-1]

oh yea, then there is my "work related" porn downloads too

speed has dropped since yesterday to average around 30-40k/s through flashget, been getting disconnected often (at least once a day) so if the same thing happens tomorrow and I dont see a speed improvement (which I usually see by day 2) then I'm logging a ticket

Help save the bandwidth. Decent download speeds for TheRodent! Stop downloading now!!!

 

[guest2013-1]

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<br />As an aside this is one of my pet peeves where ADSL's shaping is concerned.

I'm not sure if this has been changed to a more active packet inspection - "feels" better online ... need to find out.

R
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What do you mean? That adsl is better now than it was? Have to mail my friend and find out...

Help save the bandwidth. Decent download speeds for TheRodent! Stop downloading now!!!

 

[regardtv]

We use a combination of adsl and dedicated leased lines at the office noone.

While ADSL has it's "less fast" days it rocks speed wise at the moment.

Anways - this is getting off topic ;-) .. I'd better stop ;-)

 

[MyLowBandwidth]

Could it be that the recipients of this docucment are also too dumb to realise the technical implications of what Sentech is feeding them. We are seriously at risk of losing this battle of the media believes this bul1sh1t.

Sentech are also essentially saying that they have managed to dupe all of us. Everyone of us have bought a dud here.

Again, I ask the question, if Sentech had advertised a permenant 56k line, would YOU have bought it at this price.

NO NO NO NO!!! What is it going to take to get justice here.



Cape Town 128K 18% Tower 22 (Salt River) PPPoE, IPCop

 

[gripen]

why are Sentech using this illegal thing to blame for their slow local speed? We are mostly complaining about speed to Sentech email etc even before contention is applied. They did not say excessive or abusive (ok they did in some form) but rather illegal. So what if its illegal (whats illegal in their contract-breaching eyes?) unless they are being hunted RIAA or MPAA then the legality matters not. They are once again using sensitive language to make it seem like its the user's fault.

They wont own up to the multi-login abuse of course and use it as a label that every Sentech user is a total bandwidth abuser.

I use my connection for all the normal stuff, private use webserver and mailserver, VNC access, online chat and all the typical things a user does. Please Sentech, is this illegal? As I understood it, the OLD AUP when I signed up was mainly about not hosting a high traffic site with excessive uploads and also not using the modem for hacking etc. And Sentech, remember that you said it: "uncapped, unshaped, unlimited". Now deliver.

 

[malec]

I cancelled yesterday, what a relief. they did not even ask for the modem back (yet) ..