Lighting control

ipodmusicman

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Hi folks,

I have been running Home Assistant since 2018 and I did all my lighting control using Qwikswitch. 8 years on, everything is still 100% and I've never looked back. Yes, as with everything, there are always cons (replacing batteries on the light switch panels, I had one relay fail, but that is it), but I'm happy with it as a whole.

Lately, I've had friends ask me who are getting into Home Assistant about lighting control and what I would recommend. The issue is that I haven't really kept up as to the technologies available today that I can comfortably recommend instead of Qwikswitch. The issue is that Qwikswitch no longer have the QS-USB device available for sale (but I did hear that they can custom make it, but at a cost though) and for me that local control is everything, no compromises and I'm not too sure if people are willing to put up with replacing batteries in the light switches (although many of mine have last for years as I don't use some of them). QS isn't perfect, but it is the best that I could get at the time based on my requirements. I would naturally recommend QS, but I also want to open my eyes as to what else is out there that would tick all the boxes as to give people choices.

So I am putting out to the SA smart home community and hoping that you can contribute to this discussion constructively. For lighting control, I have the following requirements and I need to know if there are any products that would tick all these boxes.

1. Local - I think it comes without saying in 2026 that local control is a requirement that doesn't even need mentioning, but should be mentioned.
2. Physical light switches MUST directly control the lights. Pressing the physical button must not trigger HA to toggle the light switch. If HA is down, the lights must still work. In my case, the button sends a signal to the relay that controls the lights - that is acceptable.
3. Dimmable. Must be able to control dimmable lights, not just on/off. In my case, 90% of my lights are dimmable.
4. Physical light switches must not hold state. There is NOTHING WORSE that coming to a light switch and it is in the on position, but the actual light is off. I know that many people are willing to let this one slide, but I'm sorry, I'm not one of them. In saying this, the ideal light switch should be physical push button doorbell style with no state - NOT TOUCH! Many people feel for a light switch to toggle it and touch just does not cut it, so don't even think of recommending those Sonoff touch light switches.
5. The light switch must allow for 1, 2 or 4 buttons as 2x4 light boxes are the norm in SA homes.

I'm just going based on my own experience in my home as I have all 5 of these boxes ticked. I'm so keen to find out what other products are out there - 8 YEARS LATER - that would tick these boxes.

Looking forward to the discussion
 
Shelly relays are what I use everywhere. They’re affordable and reliable and you still keep using regular switches.

They come in a couple of form factors, the most common one is the small ones that fit behind the switch, but they also have din rail mount options, those just require some more wiring and are generally best to use if your doing new circuits.

I have a mix of both.
 
Shelly relays are what I use everywhere. They’re affordable and reliable and you still keep using regular switches.

They come in a couple of form factors, the most common one is the small ones that fit behind the switch, but they also have din rail mount options, those just require some more wiring and are generally best to use if your doing new circuits.

I have a mix of both.
Shellys are great and so many variants have been released over the years. Can I assume that you only have on/off switches (not dimmable) that maintain physical state? i..e the light is off, but the switch is on?
 
Maybe look at Thread and ZigBee.
I have a bunch of sonoffs, but shelly may also have products. The minis can fit 2 modules in a 2x4 light switch box, so 1-4 channels is possible. Both are open standards and you may already have a ZigBee coordinator/Thread Border Gateway in the house already (eg Airpod), though the dongles aren't expensive.
 
Shellys are great and so many variants have been released over the years. Can I assume that you only have on/off switches (not dimmable) that maintain physical state? i..e the light is off, but the switch is on?
Both.

All my lights have press/bell switches regardless of whether they're dimmable or not as they're just more useful as you can program double and long presses for automations.

All my spots are dimmable (using Shelly Pro 2 Dimmers) and have other non-dimmables using Shelly Pro 3.

My bathroom extractors use traditional on/off switches, those are also connected to Shelly's but it works just fine for these as you are clearly aware when they're on or off.
 
Both.

All my lights have press/bell switches regardless of whether they're dimmable or not as they're just more useful as you can program double and long presses for automations.

All my spots are dimmable (using Shelly Pro 2 Dimmers) and have other non-dimmables using Shelly Pro 3.

My bathroom extractors use traditional on/off switches, those are also connected to Shelly's but it works just fine for these as you are clearly aware when they're on or off.

Awesome! Can you provide details on the light switches that you use?
 
Sonoff M5 with Matter is what I’ve slowly been migrating to.

Physical switches and somehow removes the complete reliance on HA for everything.

Also come in a standard SA size so don’t need hacks with back plates etc to make American switches fit.
 
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Sonoff M5 with Matter is what I’ve slowly been migrating too.

Physical switches and somehow removes the complete reliance on HA for everything.

Also come in a standard SA size so don’t need hacks with back plates etc to make American switches fit.

Wow this looks very promising indeed and a lot simpler to install. From the pics it seems that each button has a LED on it. So when you push the physical button, does the LED blink or turn on when the light is on? I assume those are not touch?
 
Wow this looks very promising indeed and a lot simpler to install. From the pics it seems that each button has a LED on it. So when you push the physical button, does the LED blink or turn on when the light is on? I assume those are not touch?
M series is Mechanical yes. I believe the T series is the touch only
 
Wow this looks very promising indeed and a lot simpler to install. From the pics it seems that each button has a LED on it. So when you push the physical button, does the LED blink or turn on when the light is on? I assume those are not touch?

Yeah it flips from one colour to another between on and off.

It’s not touch, but it’s also not a click and lock and something that will break.

You depress it and it bounces back to the same position.
 
The only issue I have with these are that the switches don't very very good to use, they're also not dimmers.

I accidentally a coke bottle? 🤣

Aah yes dimming is a thing I’ve never cared for so I forget others need that. Seems like a nightmare for all things smart.
 
I accidentally a coke bottle? 🤣

Aah yes dimming is a thing I’ve never cared for so I forget others need that. Seems like a nightmare for all things smart.
I love my dimmers.

My living area, kitchen/dining and bedroom spots are never at 100%. Feels much cosier having things a bit dimmer, unless I'm looking for a pin I dropped on the floor 😄
 
I love my dimmers.

My living area, kitchen/dining and bedroom spots are never at 100%. Feels much cosier having things a bit dimmer, unless I'm looking for a pin I dropped on the floor 😄

See I hate that feeling of things being slightly darker again knowing it could be brighter.

But I do run only warm white lights so it has a similar effect overall without the darkness.
 
See I hate that feeling of things being slightly darker again knowing it could be brighter.

But I do run only warm white lights so it has a similar effect overall without the darkness.
I made sure during my renovation that there wasn't a hair of space that wasn't sufficiently lit. There are zero dark areas, just enough light that makes setting the spots to 100% quite bright and unpleasant it you're trying to relax and watch TV.

All my lights are 3000K, which is on the warmer side too.
 
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