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chemicalX

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a friend just said something about this, anyone got a clue what it is?

does it have ICS and will it work with MyWireless?

my "situation" has just deteriated - none of my network machines can now connect to the Net.

please, please help me. i'm about to throw the entire network out the window...

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if all else fails... influence with hammer
 
smoothwall is a firewall application, right?

i can't load a firewall app, 'cos i play online games - so it won't work.

that's my problem. up until now, i've been able to surf the net, just not play my game, 'cos i'm running Kerio.

now nothing wants to work!

just like computers, one moment it works, then next is farked!

argh!!! [:(!]

if all else fails... influence with hammer
 
chemicalX, you sound like a technician, they usually have no f-ing clue how to setup internet for networked PC's on windows.

Go and install Wingate and go find a crack somewhere on the internet, i mean hell, its like "double click install play" type software.

Even a W2K SERVER with it's stoopid firewall is easy enough to install and get PC's to play on the net. And here I am, programmer, knowing all this... maybe it's just my quality to learn and go read up on things (i know, manuals sucks ass, but they DO help)

tsk tsk tsk

BTW, try managing an internet cafe, that'll give you some experience...
 
noone, since you managed an internet cafe, how did you share the internet access and gaming access? assuming you used NAT, please explain just how easy it is to have say 5 players playing online at the same time on the same IP address. Also, did you ever need to configure any tricky ports etc or did you just play games that just "worked" ie. double-click-install-play and chuck out the rest (sorry, we dont support that game - if they played games like that that is.)
 
i had a whole other bunch of replies lined up noone, but i would probably get myself banned from the forum for writing most of them... so i'll choose the most civilized of the lot:

sod off! okay? here's a little surprise for you: much as i hate to admit this, now that i you have ruined the name of programmers forever - I'm a programmer, not a technician! What that has to do with anything is beyond me, but whatever.

if you open your eyes and READ some of my posts, you would see what i'm going on about, instead of making some uniformed, totally useless post like you did. Throughout these boards you have some of the most arrogant, self-opinionated and totally no-good-to-anyone posts around - all 600-odd of them. All you do is attack people and try and make fools out of everyone!

if it were as easy as installing wingate (double clicking et al) I would have done that. I might be stupid, but i'm not stupid enough to struggle for two weeks if something as easy as that could solve the problem!

if you don't have anything to say that will help me solve the problem, why don't you just move the hell on and go and irritate someone else!!! Or do you get a kick out of belittling people?

I'm not one for flaming on boards, but i'm SICK and TIRED of your f*cked up posts all over the show - silence is golden, so why don't you keep your keyboard unplugged and stop with the bullsh!t!

now, is there anyone out there who can give a resolution that's not full of ****?!
 
well, so much for your "double click install play" theory noone...

i double clicked the wingate 5.2.3 setup, installed it (you forgot to mention the restart) and tried to play - no such luck. can't even connect to the Net...

and now, after uninstalling it, my gateway machine is TOTALLY messed up, running at 94% CPU usage the whole time - yay for wingate! [:(!]

thanks for that little gem of advice...
 
On the ICS topic...

has anyone tried Win XP Service Pack 2 RC1 yet? Does it have an improved ICS (user experience, not some website copy-and-paste please) and firewall?
 
I wouldn't neceserily try WinXP SP2 Microsoft claims that it closes down a lot of the security holes and ports etc in the standard installation so i have no idea if ICS will still work
 
As I have mentioned before I have tried wingate, kerio and Sygate home network, and every time my computers bombed out. So if anyone has the correct settings for win2000 I sure all of us would like to have them. Until then I am using pppshar. But please don't just say use wingate. Tell us how to install it. That is if you have it working.
 
ChemicalX, I really think it's time you got some professional help for your NAT'ing problems. With computers, everything is about patience.

I really would suggest trying smoothwall. It's not just a firewall. It's a NAT system, using the Linux kernel. I use a Linux machine configured similarly, which is what I use for all my connectivity.

I'm a gamer, and I haven't found anything that I can't play through my Linux setup, without having to add additional reverse PAT rules, or anything.

You're trying to play Star Wars Galaxies right? You have the game? Does it have any documentation about it's protocol? Is there some support information from their website regards firewalls, proxies, etc? Because I'm pretty sure LOTS of their users must use ICS.

The whole point behind NAT is to make multiple users use a single IP.

Explain to me a bit what your current setup looks like. I'll try and help with anything obvious. But other than that, I really really think you should get someone comfortable with inter-networking to help you out.

As a starting point, I'd suggest that you get a clean installation of XP going, with just the MyWireless software installed. Use "System Restore" or reinstall if you have to. Start from a stable system first. Then we can check if SWG works on just a plain system (which I'm supposing it should). Then we can work on configuring NAT, and the rest of the network connected systems.


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Dont you have a friend in the area who knows what they are doing? If you were in Durban I'd be more than happy to take a look just to shut you (and noone) up.

- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org

"Warning: Use with extreme caution."
 
And don't forget about all the bundles of cash he makes.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">ChemicalX, I really think it's time you got some professional help for your NAT'ing problems. With computers, everything is about patience.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i usually have lots of that Rodent, just ran out after a week's struggling and not even getting close to winning... [:(]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I really would suggest trying smoothwall. It's not just a firewall. It's a NAT system, using the Linux kernel. I use a Linux machine configured similarly, which is what I use for all my connectivity.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i would love to use smoothwall, if i had the first clue about setting it up etc. I don't even know where to get it. I don't have the ethernet cable and i'm loathe to spend R250 for something that might not work. I know you say that you play games through it without a problem, but with my luck it won't work and I don't have money to waste. So i'm trying all the other avenues first. I know i should probably shut up and just buy the freakin' cable, install it and get it over and done with, and believe me, i'm close to that.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm a gamer, and I haven't found anything that I can't play through my Linux setup, without having to add additional reverse PAT rules, or anything.

You're trying to play Star Wars Galaxies right? You have the game? Does it have any documentation about it's protocol? Is there some support information from their website regards firewalls, proxies, etc? Because I'm pretty sure LOTS of their users must use ICS.

The whole point behind NAT is to make multiple users use a single IP.
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yeah, i'm sure lots of them do. but the thing is that Sony Online Entertainment don't support playing the game through a firewall, so they put up this page ( http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/content.jsp?page=Tech%20Support%20Firewall%20Proxy ) to help people set it up. and i've opened ALL these ports in kerio, but it just doesn't want to work. With greedyfly's help, we(he) came to the conclusion that it's a routing problem. And he also explained to me how to fix it. but it also didn't work. whether i did it right as a completely different story.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Explain to me a bit what your current setup looks like. I'll try and help with anything obvious. But other than that, I really really think you should get someone comfortable with inter-networking to help you out.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i just finished reformatting the gateway machine and it's now running windows 2000 professional (The modem is currently connected to another XP machine, i'll move the connection back to the windows 2000 machine tomorrow). Anyway. So I have the gateway machine with w2k on it, connected to a 16 port switch which connects it to four other machines. three of these machines have SWG galaxies on them and need to be able to play at the same time. if i take the modem and put it on my laptop, running SWG from there, it works. but as soon as i try to connect through the LAN, it doesn't. what's weird is that it used to work, on a straightforward install of windows xp with ICS! [}:)] which leads me to my conclusion that Sentech MUST have changed something on their side that's preventing it from working :(

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As a starting point, I'd suggest that you get a clean installation of XP going, with just the MyWireless software installed. Use "System Restore" or reinstall if you have to. Start from a stable system first. Then we can check if SWG works on just a plain system (which I'm supposing it should). Then we can work on configuring NAT, and the rest of the network connected systems.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i've lost count of how many times i've done that. to ALL of the machines on the network. not just the gateway. i've reformatted it numerous times. did a re-install, installed the sentech software, enabled ICS... nothing... only by using kerio have i been able to get web access sorted out. without kerio only the header of a page would load, and sometimes the background, but nothing else.

i'm sorry for being such a pain in the arse guys... just thought i'd get some help here... didn't mean to get to a point where i have to be "shut up" [V]

if all else fails... influence with hammer
 
/me pokes chemicalX with a stick


(greedyfly a reply to your post is below)

Sooooo... useless posts eh?

Factually, I did try to help and suggest some other alternative (using Wingate is my first choice seeing as it did help solve alot of my problems in the past) I may convey these ideas in a very aggressive "attacking" manner, but as much as you are getting tired of my "useless" posts all around the "show" (and "yes" I am using "quotes" alot "") I am also getting tired of your posts about setting up ICS et all to play Star Wars Galaxies. It, to me, is a pure network problem, and if you dont have the money to waste (and as johnny-c mentioned, I have bags of money) I'd be more than happy to send you my cable (which I bought for 150, but due to the "partners" coming into play, another 100% markup was made) free of charge, hell, if you're somewhere in the JHB PTA area, I'll drive through and deliver the gawd damn thing myself

greedyfly, yes, it did work, had some trouble setting up Ultima Online, but just used Sockscap (i think) and it worked fine. However, back in 2000 when I was running the i-cafe, we didn't have ADSL, only a slow analogue dedicated line and a satelite downlink. So we could happily run up to 8 users (slowly) on UO, and about 3 (without too much lag) on SOF and Quake... however, you know Quake users, they bitch and moan about the smallest amount of lag and framerates [:D] However, I do not remember exactly what I did to make this worked. I truely thought that suggesting an alternate, non-microsoft way, would help ol' crazy bones out with his networking problems. Hell, it probably took me a constant 15 hours of pure work and trial/errrors to get **** working in that two-bit i-cafe

Please move this discussion to a network related board....
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by chemicalX</i>
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connect through the LAN, it doesn't. what's weird is that it used to work, on a straightforward install of windows xp with ICS! [}:)] which leads me to my conclusion that Sentech MUST have changed something on their side that's preventing it from working :(
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I think that Sentech did change something relating to MTU sizes, probably about a month ago. But if your MTUs are correctly configured, you should have no problems. If the client systems (behind the Win2K gateway) can't connect to the SWG server then something else is wrong, and probably not on Sentech's side.

Anyway, assuming that everything on the Win2K gateway system works properly from *on* the Win2K system itself, the problem is likely a NAT (ICS) configuration problem, or a plain LAN setup problem.

First make sure that your LAN settings are correctly configured, i.e. that TCP/IP works correctly *within* the LAN, i.e. that it works between a WinXP machine on your LAN and the Win2K machine. The best way to do this is to ping between two machines.

Some basic TCP/IP debugging first (forgive me if you know the basics already but it's hard to tell from your posts): Use "Start/Run" and type "cmd" and press enter on both the Win2K gateway and on an XP system to open command prompts. Type "ipconfig" at the command prompt on both machines. Now make sure both have a valid but different (private class) network IP address, e.g. 192.168.X.X or 10.X.X.X for the *Ethernet adapter*. (If the two addresses do NOT look similar the networking *isn't* going to work ... for example if WinXP has auto-configured one of those 169. type addresses). In fact, for the two to be able to see each other, they technically need to be on the same "subnet". This means that they need to have the same "subnet address" (or TCP/IP "network address"). The "subnet address" is the bitwise AND of the IP address and the "Subnet Mask". So if your IP is 192.168.0.1 and your subnet mask is 255.255.0.0, your "subnet address" is 192.168.0.0. BOTH MACHINES must have the same subnet address.

Once you're sure both machines have IP addresses on the same subnet, try ping one from the other (and vice versa). At the command prompt of one enter "ping X", where X is the IP address of the other system. If both machines can ping another, and get valid replies, then your TCP/IP is working locally.

Sometimes pings work one way but not the other way (i.e. A can ping B but B can't ping A). This is usually a symptom of one of the two having a firewall and blocking incoming "ping" requests.

Anyway, next thing is to make sure your ICS is correctly configured. Firstly this means that the ICS client machines must be configured to use the Win2K system as the "default gateway". At the command prompt type "ipconfig /all" on e.g. an XP system. It should tell you the Ethernet controller's gateway, which should be the IP address of the Win2K machine. For Win2K ICS it should also tell you that the DNS server is the Win2K machine.

Note: Win2K ICS is supposed to create a "DHCP server", meaning that the Win2K system assigns IP addresses to the other machines every time they boot up. The "default gateway" and "DNS server" are also assigned to them along with the IP address (i.e. the Win2K server tells the others "use me as a DNS server and as your default gateway"). (DO NOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE ICS SYSTEM ON YOUR LAN. They might both try dish out IPs, and confusion will result.)

If the Win2K system was booted up after the WinXP systems, they won't have gotten valid IPs and would have defaulted to 196. crap. To renew the ICS client IP address at any time, use "ipconfig /renew".

Now if all of the above seems to be set up correctly, try ping the outside world from the XP system. At the prompt type "ping www.google.com" or "ping www.sentech.co.za". (If it doesn't work, make sure it does work from the Win2K gateway). If you can ping the outside world through the gateway, that's good.

(Note that this "gateway" is basically just "raw" forwarding of TCP/IP packets, so there is no proxy involved here, so make sure your web browser isn't trying to use a proxy. You can worry about proxies LATER on once everything else works *first*! In fact, same with firewalls; disable them all until you're sure that your basic network configuration is correct and works, THEN start setting up a firewall)

Once you can ping the outside world from an XP machine, try the web. Open www.google.com.

If web pages seem to "sort of start loading" but then just sort of hang and don't really load, it's almost certainly an MTU size problem. By default, the XP systems will try to send TCP/IP packets to the Win2K gateway using the default lan MTU size of 1500 bytes, which is too large. ALL the WinXP sytems must have their Ethernet MTU size set a bit smaller (I use 1412). Google for "DrTCP", download it, run it on the XP machines and set the LAN/Ethernet MTU to 1412. You may need to restart them. On the Win2K system itself (I also use Win2K Pro as gateway), I found I also had to set the "RAS MTU".

If you follow the above 'step by step', at which point do things stop working?
 
Firstly dude, relax and stop bloody reinstalling things, that doesnt acomplish anything, other than confusing the hell out of us to know what you're actualy doing now.

Have you actualy set these things up properly TCP/IP wise? Can they all ping eachother and the gateway successfuly etc?

If they can, then check if they can ping an outside address (something like 212.13.208.160, not a domain.). If it can, but cant ping www.mweb.co.za or whatever then you've probably not configured the DNS address correctly.

I don't care if it "used to work perfectly". I have plenty of things that *used to work perfectly*, many of them have been thrown away and others should never have worked in the first place.

- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org

"Warning: Use with extreme caution."
 
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