Linux OS Fedora 25 has arrived

Not a massive release. Am disappoint.
 
Anybody know of a shop I can walk into and buy a gnu/linux notebook? In Pretoria, or the Gauteng Area would be great.

The reason I'm asking is because I would like a unix like env on the go. But I don't want to struggle with drivers and patching kernels etc.

And like always price is tight... but at the moment my only viable option is the mac air at 23k for what I want :'( and I'm looking at spending 10k to maybe 15k.
 
You can get Dells preloaded with Ubuntu.

But in reality you can buy anything sans Windows and install it yourself.

You shouldn't need to struggle with drivers or patching kernels if you do your research and run stable builds. It all happens automatically these days.

Besides if that worries you one has to wonder why you want to make life harder and go Linux at all.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You can get Dells preloaded with Ubuntu.

But in reality you can buy anything sans Windows and install it yourself.

You shouldn't need to struggle with drivers or patching kernels if you do your research and run stable builds. It all happens automatically these days.

Besides if that worries you one has to wonder why you want to make life harder and go Linux at all.
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This. Another good example is mint. It just works.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You can get Dells preloaded with Ubuntu.

But in reality you can buy anything sans Windows and install it yourself.

You shouldn't need to struggle with drivers or patching kernels if you do your research and run stable builds. It all happens automatically these days.

Besides if that worries you one has to wonder why you want to make life harder and go Linux at all.
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Or pay the guys at Matrix to install it for you and check all drivers. R50 ought to do it?
 
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Skerminkel said:
Or pay the guys at Matrix to install it for you and check all drivers. R50 ought to do it?
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I highly doubt R50 will cover the hours of messing around on derelict user forums from 2001, looking for a code snippet that will get your hotkeys to work.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You can get Dells preloaded with Ubuntu.
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Besides if that worries you one has to wonder why you want to make life harder and go Linux at all.
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Know any local place where I can go have a look at the Dells?

As mentioned I want a unix like machine.

ponder said:
It's 2016 not 1996...
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I want to develop software and not Google on how to fix hardware issues. You would think in 2016 there would be vendor selling unix systems :'(

HeftyCrab said:
This. Another good example is mint. It just works.
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I would advice against Mint. With the security breach early this year;
 
d-_-b said:
I want to develop software and not Google on how to fix hardware issues. You would think in 2016 there would be vendor selling unix systems :'(
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ponder said:
It's 2016 not 1996.

See a laptop you like? Just google if it has any issues with linux.
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:rolleyes: I'm not telling you to fix schite, If you like a laptop you see and would like to run linux on it a quick 5min google will tell you if the laptop in question has any issues with linux. There are even sites out there that keeps track of stuff like that.
 
ponder said:
:rolleyes: I'm not telling you to fix schite, If you like a laptop you see and would like to run linux on it a quick 5min google will tell you if the laptop in question has any issues with linux. There are even sites out there that keeps track of stuff like that.
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I'm sorry but that view is ignorant. Will HP still give me my 3 years on-site warranty if I decide to swap out their OS with Fedora or Ubuntu? I want a vendor that will give me a gnu/linux notebook with a warranty.
 
d-_-b said:
Know any local place where I can go have a look at the Dells?

As mentioned I want a unix like machine.
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Nobody sells Unix machines.

Linux there are a few but I think mostly online.

Check Ubuntu's approved hardware pages.

I want to develop software and not Google on how to fix hardware issues. You would think in 2016 there would be vendor selling unix systems :'(
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Those have nothing to do with the OS.

You'll Google them on anything
 
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d-_-b said:
I'm sorry but that view is ignorant. Will HP still give me my 3 years on-site warranty if I decide to swap out their OS with Fedora or Ubuntu? I want a vendor that will give me a gnu/linux notebook with a warranty.
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Yes.

Their warranty is on hardware. Not software.

That you go to Microsoft for (if Windows).

Most will sell you a machine with windows to self install...because that's generally what the market wants.

But Dell specifically does some Ubuntu units pre-installed.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Nobody sells Unix machines.
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Apple does, macOS, UNIX 03 certification was achieved for the Intel version of Mac OS X 10.5 and up.

Thanks for all the input. When time comes I will most probably do my research and bite the bullet.

But for now I hope in the future there will be a vendor close by that can give me gnu/linux support.
 
d-_-b said:
Apple does, macOS, UNIX 03 certification was achieved for the Intel version of Mac OS X 10.5 and up.

Thanks for all the input. When time comes I will most probably do my research and bite the bullet.

But for now I hope in the future there will be a vendor close by that can give me gnu/linux support.
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You said you can't/won't afford that so it was left out of the equation.

Besides it's BSD and technically not GNU either.

I would also rather have MacOS over everything else. It's the best *nix distribution out there.
 
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d-_-b said:
I'm sorry but that view is ignorant. Will HP still give me my 3 years on-site warranty if I decide to swap out their OS with Fedora or Ubuntu? I want a vendor that will give me a gnu/linux notebook with a warranty.
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Ignorant? Does HP etc invalidate your hardware warranty when you install a different version of windows on it it did not ship with? Does apple invalidate your hardware warranty when you install windows on a mac? My use of linux on hardware that did not ship with linux over the last 10+ years & having faulty things replaced must be born out of ignorance then. Apologies for pointing out other options to you, buy a mac or import a system76 or dell laptop rather.
 
d-_-b said:
Anybody know of a shop I can walk into and buy a gnu/linux notebook? In Pretoria, or the Gauteng Area would be great.
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Lenovo Thinkpads. Those have the best support, and hotkeys usually work out of the box even on brand new distros. It's the reason why we have TLP as an optional package - it was designed first for Thinkpads to help better estimate battery life, and work around the hacks necessary to use extended battery packs.

Anything from 2015 and earlier will work fine. Some of the newer models still need to receive support and certification, but they'll have it with most distros by now. The Fedora Project also recently started up a program where laptop users running Fedora 23 or newer can submit patches, or fill in surveys to see what's working, what isn't, and what still needs to be fixed on certain brands of notebooks.

If you're installing Linux on these certified systems, you'll still receive support from Lenovo.

d-_-b said:
Will HP still give me my 3 years on-site warranty if I decide to swap out their OS with Fedora or Ubuntu?
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You'll receive hardware support, but not software support, if you decide to go this route.

d-_-b said:
I want a vendor that will give me a gnu/linux notebook with a warranty.
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Go these routes:

 
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