Local Loop Unbundling

its never gonna happen. by the time those Telkom bribed ICASA apes get their **** together, there will be no need for a local loop since everything will be LTE wireless. : (
 
moggie said:
No, as backhaul links are not part of the local loop.
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mmm ok. Thanks moggie.

It really does feel like things are stalling again. Nothing major has happened with the Cellular Networks...Telkom is the same old same old. Mweb is the only one that has caused a splash with its uncapped really.

But even if LLU happened, I am not sure if it would make such a big difference...or would it? The reason why I am saying this is bacause at the end of the day Telkom would still be the ones who needs to install the lines and keep the loop in shape. But instead of paying line rental to Telkom, you would pay it to Vodacom for example. Or at least thats how it works in the UK as far as I know. And the areas that does not yet have ADSL...what will happen there? Telkom most likely wont even bother to install there only to have someone like Vodacom get the benefit if the user goes with them?
 
ocleroux said:
mmm ok. Thanks moggie.

It really does feel like things are stalling again. Nothing major has happened with the Cellular Networks...Telkom is the same old same old. Mweb is the only one that has caused a splash with its uncapped really.

But even if LLU happened, I am not sure if it would make such a big difference...or would it? The reason why I am saying this is bacause at the end of the day Telkom would still be the ones who needs to install the lines and keep the loop in shape. But instead of paying line rental to Telkom, you would pay it to Vodacom for example. Or at least thats how it works in the UK as far as I know. And the areas that does not yet have ADSL...what will happen there? Telkom most likely wont even bother to install there only to have someone like Vodacom get the benefit if the user goes with them?
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The consumer will benefit as increased competition will lead to either lower prices or better value for money offerings.

The regulator (let's not say ICASA) can set the maximum rate at which the local loop owner can rent it to other companies. Hopefully they do their job properly!
 
Ideally the local loop and exchanges would be taken out of the hands of Telkom and given to an independent not-for-profit organisation to maintain. Network operators would then all be allowed to run their networks into the exchange and install their own DSLAMS. Your adsl line circuit (copper pair) would then simply be connected to the DSLAM (and network) of whatever network provider you would like to use and that has a presence at your local exchange and the network provider would bill you directly for your adsl connection. There would be no artificial "line rental" as the cost of your bandwidth would include the use of the copper line. With no IPC costs to pay Telkom, and being able to plug consumers directly into their networks, ISP's should be able to substantially decrease the cost of bandwidth to their clients.

Presumably network providers would then pay some sort of rental fee in order to have a presence in the exchange and to contribute towards to the maintenance of the local loop and exchange infrastructure.

That's how I see it working anyway. Of course vested interests, greed, etc will probably all come in the way of this.
 
deweyzeph said:
Ideally the local loop and exchanges would be taken out of the hands of Telkom and given to an independent not-for-profit organisation to maintain.
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The biggest problem is the access deficit that telkom have been harping on about... If the LL were to be handed over to a NPO, then the NPO would have to include this deficit into their costing model and it will be passed on to us ADSL consumers.
 
the last time i heard or read about it, it was said telkom had to be ready for LLU by/in 2011.. who knows.

if this works the same way we got LLU approved in the UK, telkom will still own the copper pair from your CPE/master socket to exchange where the DSLAMs are, instead of plugging into Telkoms old Marconi AXH600 dslam (BTW these dslams are faulty by design), your copper pair will now go onto the other ISP's equipment and through their network out to the world.

Telkom will still do fault repairs on your line between your house and the exchange(the quality of service took a while to get right, problems with the telco response times and that). But your ISP should handle all tech support problems and take it up with telkom if needed, lets just hope the ISP's and telkom have the appropriate testing tools to pin point problems.
 
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