Lockdown fallout: Mkhize defends strategy as scientists are reprimanded for speaking out

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Right here is a big part of the problem yet Pillay probably doesnt even realise it.

Are you telling me these donks don't communicate daily ? Nevermind definitely weekly ? What he stated sounds like maybe once a week but probably less often, what the actual fk>????


Pillay said he also raised the issue of why experts went to the media with their concerns instead of writing to the minister first.

"We are in contact regularly, almost every week, so why wouldn't you do that, why would you go to a journalist in the media to help you to articulate that?"
 
stormiezzz said:
I am an intelligent man. What part of Gray's comment mislead me? Speak up Pillay. You will not convince me at all. Glenda Gray is a respected highly qualified professional and business woman.
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I underlined what these communist do not appreciate.
 
thechamp said:
We have to sit down as a members of this forum and agree if qualifications matter or not, because there's nothing as confused as this forum when it comes to the matter of qualifications.
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Qualifications matter in some instances yes... When it comes to common sense then they don't necessarily matter... Also a qualification in x field doesn't mean they can't put forth a valid point in a different field.
 
thechamp said:
We have to sit down as a members of this forum and agree if qualifications matter or not, because there's nothing as confused as this forum when it comes to the matter of qualifications.
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There is nothing confusing here, Glenda Gray is FAR more qualified to speak about anything related to infections and viruses than the puppet communist ANC "Scientists" trying to shut her up.

Qualifications do matter so I am actually confused by your question, are you insinuating that Glenda Gray is not qualified to make her points ?

You can draw your own conclusion but Dr Mkhize does not specialize in anything, at best he is a general M.D and at worse full of ****. He is nothing more than a politician first and a "Dr." second.

Just a quick search reveals below details, if you want to go more in depth then google it yourself.


Glenda Gray :

Glenda Elisabeth Gray is a South African physician and scientist specializing in the care of children and in HIV medicine and was awarded South Africa's highest honor, the Order of Mapungubwe.


Dr Zwelini Lawrence Mkhize :

Dr Zwelini Lawrence Mkhize is a South African doctor, legislator and politician who currently serves as the Minister of Health, appointed on 30 May 2019. He previously served as the Minister of Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs from 2018 to 2019. He was the 5th Premier of KwaZulu-Natal from 2009 to 2013.
 
thechamp said:
We have to sit down as a members of this forum and agree if qualifications matter or not, because there's nothing as confused as this forum when it comes to the matter of qualifications.
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Yep. we should leave it to people like that highly qualified (now ex) lady from SARS IT. Please save me from yourself madam ...

The meeting follows explosive comments made by Dr Glenda Gray, the head of the South African Medical Research Council and chairperson of the MAC subcommittee on research.
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So much irony in this this:
"When you have regulations on economic issues – the question of what you can buy in the supermarket or the question of open or closed shoes is not a decision that health made, it's a decision that the economic cluster made.

"The members of the MAC only have experts on health issues so they must not think that because Covid is a health problem, suddenly they become the advisory committee for all government departments," Pillay said.
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Why exactly this lockdown? Are we now saying it's not linked to CovID which is a medical issue? Knew it! (dons tin foil hat)

And there ladies and gentleman, is your perfect example of why we are here ...
 
A better article giving context.

www.news24.com

EXCLUSIVE | Unscientific and nonsensical: Top scientist slams government’s lockdown strategy

The government's phased exit from the lockdown is nonsensical and unscientific, says one of the top scientists advising it.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
According to Gray:

• Malnutrition cases were being seen in hospitals.
• The month-to-month phasing-out of the lockdown has no basis in science.
• Many lockdown regulations were seemingly thumb sucks.
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He added that normal, non-Covid-related diseases were not receiving attention.

Sanne told News24 there had been an increase in missed appointments by HIV patients of between 40% and 60% since the lockdown, and a similar issue was expected for diabetes and other illnesses needing chronic medication.

There had been a substantive decline in childhood vaccination programmes, he said, which scientists believed would lead to a substantial outbreak of childhood diseases in the future.

Another example was semi-urgent surgeries, like spinal surgeries or early onset cancer treatments.
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The OP article is in response to this and seems quite underhanded, much like some of our honourable members' tactics.
 
Once these "new members" become a Dr through studies, like PhD, they automatically are put on a pedestal and assume a Godlike persona among their own people. They then have the choice to use those Godlike powers in the pursuit of good or evil. That is the natural evolution of any politician IMO but especially so for a politician who is also affiliated with the ruling party.
 
Good For them to speak out despite the censorship our new Dictators are having wet dreams about. If she is wrong prove her wrong. no wait.. wag a finger and throw a hissy fit.
 
Mila said:
Good For them to speak out despite the censorship our new Dictators are having wet dreams about. If she is wrong prove her wrong. no wait.. wag a finger and throw a hissy fit.
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I would love to see their counter argument other than just "you are wrong" bs censorship.

Pretty sure they won't even attempt to dispute her with any sensible facts considering she is regarded as one of SA top virologist who dealt with the HIV virus since early on. I think its obviously better to listen to her than some ANC hacks just based on actual field experience.
 
Sollie said:
A better article giving context.

www.news24.com

EXCLUSIVE | Unscientific and nonsensical: Top scientist slams government’s lockdown strategy

The government's phased exit from the lockdown is nonsensical and unscientific, says one of the top scientists advising it.
www.news24.com www.news24.com




The OP article is in response to this and seems quite underhanded, much like some of our honourable members' tactics.
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But but but.... we have to keep all hospitals empty for the millions of covid patient who might be coming through the door either today or in 2050.

While we are dealing with bs hypotheticals lets also make sure to keep the beds at least 1m elevated from the ground since we dont want the Tokolosh to hurt the patients.
 
There are already thousands of networks in operation around the country where everyone from Mrs Smith next door to Sipho in Tembisa can get whatever they want. You stopped nothing.

What you did NDZ and Cele is make massive assumptions on human behavior and arrogantly assumed the whole nation would follow your religious teachings on prohibition. You arrogantly and naively assumed that grown adults would simply nod and agree as if you were the parent and the whole nation your children looking up to you for guidance and moral authority.

You

Were

WRONG.
 
thechamp said:
We have to sit down as a members of this forum and agree if qualifications matter or not, because there's nothing as confused as this forum when it comes to the matter of qualifications.
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Careful champ. You colors are starting to show in your recent posts :whistling:
 
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