London terror suspect named

[marine1]

And I don't see you condemning the atrocities commited by the west.

So you admit you support the terrorists. Thanks for that.

 

[chiskop]

And I don't see you condemning the atrocities commited by the west.

So you admit you support the terrorists. Thanks for that.

Where?

 

[marine1]

Did he condemn them? Please show me where.

 

[bwana]

Over the last 60 years, the USA alone has been directly responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent civilians.

Would you provide a breakdown of that number?

 

[Xarog]

Would you provide a breakdown of that number?

Sorry, I was quoting from memory after reading it quite a few years ago.

Another search didn't turn up anything anywhere close to that number, so I withdraw the claim. I did find this, though :

http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

Either way, it's exponentially more people dead than have been caused by all terrorist attacks in recorded history.

 

[Sharkey]

Humanity? What humanity, islamic humanity. OMW how trivial can you get. The biggest murderous of the innocent on earth, their own inclusive. More oppressive than the Apartheid regime and you call it humanity? Ag Shame!

ROFL. I suppose you actually saw exactly how these "Islamic oppressors" oppress their people first and and you also personally experienced oppression from the apartheid regime. If not the stfu as you are once again basing your views from what you heard or read from a single point of view.

How many times do we have to tell you that the US alone killed far more people than terrorists and "islamists" combined. Perhaps you just choose to ignore the facts

 

[GavinMannion]

Could someone please explain how a story about an attempted terrorist attack in London has now become an attack on America's foreign policy?

Personally I am on the side saying these terrorists should be executed. They where trying to attack civilians. The UK might kill civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq but they don't go out of their way to do this..

 

[Xarog]

Could someone please explain how a story about an attempted terrorist attack in London has now become an attack on America's foreign policy?

Personally I am on the side saying these terrorists should be executed. They where trying to attack civilians. The UK might kill civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq but they don't go out of their way to do this..

Quite simple. Were it not for American foreign policy, there would be no terrorist attacks from irate middle easterners.

 

[Alan]

Why was Romania not targeted by terrorist? i believe it is because Romania do not put their nose in other people affairs, they try to live in peace, while the UK in the contrary is putting it nose all over the place, even in dangerous places, that is why they are targeted by what they call terrorists.

I really hope the UK will pull out all it soldiers from Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere where they are not welcomed so that they can avoid putting the life of their ordinary citizen in danger. And the world can start living in peace.

So the Taliban were welcome? So you're happy to have them live under the Taliban where their lives weren't in danger .The Taliban murdered and oppressed innocent Afghans and tried spread that to other parts of the world.

What about all the other nationalities murdered by extremists. Were all those countries meddling in the ME. What about innocent Muslims being blown up everyday. How are they "meddling"

Sorry, I was quoting from memory after reading it quite a few years ago.

Another search didn't turn up anything anywhere close to that number, so I withdraw the claim. I did find this, though :

http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

Either way, it's exponentially more people dead than have been caused by all terrorist attacks in recorded history.

Bwahahahaha that is another Xarog classic

Could someone please explain how a story about an attempted terrorist attack in London has now become an attack on America's foreign policy?

Personally I am on the side saying these terrorists should be executed. They where trying to attack civilians. The UK might kill civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq but they don't go out of their way to do this..

Exactly the UK is not targeting innocent civilians but putting their own soldiers at risk to give those civilians a chance at having liberty. Something some people want to deny them and rather have the likes of the Taliban savagely oppress them

Quite simple. Were it not for American foreign policy, there would be no terrorist attacks from irate middle easterners.

Yeah that's why they blow up their follow muslims and anybody who doesn't share their extreme beliefs. I'm p1ssed off with America so I'm gonna drive a car bomb into a bunch of my fellow country men and muslims because those damn Americans are oppressing those very same people

 

[JK8]

So the Taliban were welcome? So you're happy to have them live under the Taliban where their lives weren't in danger .The Taliban murdered and oppressed innocent Afghans and tried spread that to other parts of the world.

They did? No way how do you know? U got proof?
Mmmmm I heard on TV that Bush doesnt like black people, how about we as Africa go save all the black people from his vicious reign!!

 

[Xarog]

Yeah that's why they blow up their follow muslims and anybody who doesn't share their extreme beliefs. I'm p1ssed off with America so I'm gonna drive a car bomb into a bunch of my fellow country men and muslims because those damn Americans are oppressing those very same people

Actually I just meant it wouldn't be the west's problem, and it would in fact be something for the middle east to sort out by themselves.

Edit : Btw, what's your opinion on public executions?

 

[Alan]

They did? No way how do you know? U got proof?

*sigh*

I really need to educate you. First the Iranians now the Taliban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Women in particular were targets of the Taliban's notorious restrictions, prohibited from working, wearing "Iranian burqa" (which was not sufficiently complete in its covering) or "stimulating and attractive" clothing, from taking a taxi without a "close male relative," washing clothes in streams, or having their measurements taken by tailors.[43]

Employment for women was restricted to the medical sector, since male medical personnel were not allowed to examine women. One result of the banning of employment of women by the Taliban was the closing down in places like Kabul of primary schools not only for girls but for boys, because almost all the teachers there were women.[44]

Women were made to wear the burqa, a traditional dress covering the entire body except for a small screen to see out of. Taliban restrictions became more severe after they took control of the capital. In February 1998, religious police forced all women off the streets of Kabul and issued new regulations ordering "householders to blacken their windows, so women would not be visible from the outside." [45] Home schools for girls, which had been allowed to continue, were forbidden.[46] In June the Taliban stopped all women from attending general hospitals. (Kabul had one all-women hospital.)[47] There were many reports of Muslim women being beaten by the Taliban for violating the Sharia.

Ban on culture


A sample Taliban edict issued after their capture of Kabul is one decreed in December 1996 by the "General Presidency of Amr Bil Maruf and Nahi Anil Munkar" (or Religious Police) banning a variety of things and activities: music, shaving of beards, keeping of pigeons, flying kites, displaying of pictures or portraits, western hairstyles, music and dancing at weddings, gambling, "sorcery," and not praying at prayer times.[48]

Non-Western festivities were not exempt from bannings. The Taliban banned the traditional Afghan New Year's celebration of Nowruz as anti-Islamic, and "for a time they also banned Ashura, the Shia Islamic month of mourning and even restricted any show of festivity at Eid." [49] The Afghan people were not allowed to have any cultural celebrations if the women were there. If it was only men at the celebration it would be allowed to go forth, so long as it did not go over the curfew time of 9:00 pm.

Taliban official Mullah Mohammed Hassan explained that "Of course we realize that people need some entertainment but they can go to the parks and see the flowers, and from this they will learn about Islam," The Education Minister Mullahs Abdul Hanifi told questioners that the Taliban "oppose music because it creates a strain in the mind and hampers study of Islam." [50]

Ethnic and religious massacres and oppression

Taliban's public execution of a Shi'ite ethnic Hazara, May 1999The worst attack on civilians came in summer of 1998 when the Taliban swept north from Herat to the predominantly Hazara and Uzbek city of Mazar-i-Sharif, the largest city in the north. Entering at 10 am on 8 August 1998, for the next two days the Taliban drove their pickup trucks "up and down the narrow streets of Mazar-i-Sharif shooting to the left and right and killing everything that moved -- shop owners, cart pullers, women and children shoppers and even goats and donkeys."[51] More than 8000 noncombatants were reported killed in Mazar-i-Sharif and later in Bamiyan. [52] Contrary to the injunctions of Islam, which demands immediate burial, the Taliban forbade anyone to bury the corpses for the first six days while they rotted in the summer heat and were eaten by dogs. [53] In addition to this indiscriminate slaughter, the Taliban sought out and massacred members of the Hazara, a mostly Shia ethnic group, while in control of Mazar.

While the slaughter can be attributed to several factors -- ethnic difference, suspicions of Hazaras loyalty to their co-religionists in Iran, fury at the loss of life suffered in an earlier unsuccessful Taliban takeover of Mazar -- takfir by the puritanical Sunni Taliban toward the Shia Hazaras was instrumental. It was expressed by Mullah Niazi, the commander of the attack and governor of Mazar after the attack, in his declaration from Mazar's central mosque:

Last year you rebelled against us and killed us. From all your homes you shot at us. Now we are here to deal with you. The Hazaras are not Muslims and now have to kill Hazaras. You either accept to be Muslims or leave Afghanistan. Wherever you go we will catch you. If you go up we will pull you down by your feet; if you hide below, we will pull you up by your hair. [54]

Hazara also suffered from a siege by the Taliban of their Hazarajat homeland in central Afghanistan and the refusal of the Taliban to allow the UN to supply food to Hazara to the provinces of Bamiyan, Ghor, Wardak and Ghazni. [55] A month after the Mazar slaughter, Taliban broke through Hazar lines and took over Hazarajat. Killing of civilians was much less severe here than in Mazar, but occurred also.[56]

During the years that followed, rapes and massacres of Hazara by Taliban forces were documented by groups such as Human Rights Watch.[57]

How would you like to live under those conditions? Is that what Islam stands for?

Mmmmm I heard on TV that Bush doesnt like black people, how about we as Africa go save all the black people from his vicious reign!!

Strange then that his closest aid on foriegn policy is black How do you explain that?

 

[kilo39]

So the Taliban were welcome? So you're happy to have them live under the Taliban where their lives weren't in danger .The Taliban murdered and oppressed innocent Afghans and tried spread that to other parts of the world.

Didn't you get that wrong? The taliban united a nation and defeated the russians. The fact they then enforced Islamic law is little excuse to reign missiles on their heads, especially as those laws (and execution) is little different to a country like Saudi Arabia for instance (oh but we don't see america invading Saudi, I wonder why?) Further ties to 'radical islamists' are those same islamists funded, fostered, and encouraged by america (in its war own 'war' against russia.) 9/11 came after missile strikes (by clinton) against Afghanstan, not before, and 9/11 itself seems a crime 'allowed,' through ignored warnings, terror alerts (that every other country seemed aware of, except america.) Oh and once again 'the terror' actually came from Saudi (not afghanistan,)

What about all the other nationalities murdered by extremists. Were all those countries meddling in the ME. What about innocent Muslims being blown up everyday. How are they "meddling"

Is this reason to fight a false war in Iraq? NO. Is this reason "to create a whole new bunch of terrorists?" NO. Is this is a reason to attack a country not actually financing the 'terrorists?' NO. (Oh but then the saudis are bush's bosom buddies.)

Exactly the UK is not targeting innocent civilians but putting their own soldiers at risk to give those civilians a chance at having liberty. Something some people want to deny them and rather have the likes of the Taliban savagely oppress them

OH BULLSh#T. Liberty? 600 000+ dead civilians (is this "liberty?") NO.

Yeah that's why they blow up their follow muslims and anybody who doesn't share their extreme beliefs. I'm p1ssed off with America so I'm gonna drive a car bomb into a bunch of my fellow country men and muslims because those damn Americans are oppressing those very same people

GB "war on terror" has created more terrorists (perhaps this was the real plan.) How does an army of occupation lessen terrorism? It doesn't.

FACT is: anybody who denies the complicity of bush (and upholds his 'sanctity,') is an idiot and a fool: the evidence is overwhelming.

(For instance, read in the last few days: fbi had the tampa flight school under surveillance, owned by the mafia, but of course the fbi was told to do nothing, yet another in a long list of "willfully ignored by the bush administration.")

Oh and lookee here (just found)

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem M. Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C (“I, Salem M. Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330 Bellefontaine, Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on my behalf in all matters relating to the business and operation of Binladen-Houston offices in Houston, Texas.” Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, July 8, 1976.
“According to a 1976 trust agreement, drawn shortly after [George H. W.] Bush was appointed director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Sheik Salem M. Binladen appointed Bath as his business representative in Houston. Binladen, along with his brothers, owns Binladen Brothers Construction, one of the largest construction companies in the Middle East.” Jerry Urban, “Feds Investigate Entrepreneur Allegedly Tied to Saudis,” Houston Chronicle, June 4, 1992.
[source]

Read the document then tell me who is the terrorist (and perpetuating perpetual war for the enrichment of the bush family and list of american companies, not least Cheney's Halliburton.)

 

[NoADSLyet]

Nice attempt to twist my words.

Over the last 60 years, the USA alone has been directly responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent civilians..

Now who is twisting what here? 100 Million My oh My. You must have included those Africans dying of hunger and stupidity, Its always USA's fault. They stole the rain and did not in time train the African fools how to cope. Your the Bigot here. You always talk k@k and cannot substantiate it with facts and even withdraw it when caught out. There is many on the forum asking you to answer your claims and give your resources but usually you always refrain. Grow up kiddo.

 

[JK8]

Now who is twisting what here? 100 Million My oh My. You must have included those Africans dying of hunger and stupidity, Its always USA's fault. They stole the rain and did not in time train the African fools how to cope. Your the Bigot here. You always talk k@k and cannot substantiate it with facts and even withdraw it when caught out. There is many on the forum asking you to answer your claims and give your resources but usually you always refrain. Grow up kiddo.

Go do a thorough research into why Central Africa has so much drought.

 

[Xarog]

LOL, no problem - you must do what you must do! I only get the "quoted" version in addition to the "This message is hidden because stoopidtroll is on your ignore list" bit anyway!

I make a habit of trying to refute the obviously wrong but vaguely on-topic posts and forget to stop when they start resorting to ad-hominem drivel. It would be easier if the content of the posts varied in between those two kinds of posts, but sadly it doesn't.

 

[BiteMe]

I make a habit of trying to refute the obviously wrong but vaguely on-topic posts and forget to stop when they start resorting to ad-hominem drivel. It would be easier if the content of the posts varied in between those two kinds of posts, but sadly it doesn't.

well, u know what my good friends mySACP always say...if you dont like it here, feel free to leave



touche.

 

[NoADSLyet]

I'll give you a clue where you should start : A BBC documentary discussing Global Dimming..

Funny that I only troll the k@k You and Yours post, as others see you and Yours as trolls from their side.

About your Global dimming, do you not mean African dimming or non existence. I also saw that BBC program, the issue about rain have little to do with the African's problems There is a lot of drought in the middle east with which they cope well, only African's cannot manage the problem without the dudes they hate with so much vigor and their $money, intelligence and capabilities. It is rather the continual miss-management and corruption AKA Zim style that is the biggest problem in Africa as well as the hatred to any-thing/one better than yourselves, but then again you never had mirrors to look into until recently in evolution terms.

 

[Xarog]

Funny that I only troll the k@k You and Yours post, as others see you and Yours as trolls from their side.

Nah, you actually troll with a personal vendetta, as in you follow the person who irked you into other treads and start insulting them there, too.

About your Global dimming, do you not mean African dimming or non existence. I also saw that BBC program, the issue about rain have little to do with the African's problems There is a lot of drought in the middle east with which they cope well, only African's cannot manage the problem without the dudes they hate with so much vigor and their $money, intelligence and capabilities.

Someone should tell that to the Australians.

It is rather the continual miss-management and corruption AKA Zim style that is the biggest problem in Africa as well as the hatred to any-thing/one better than yourselves, but then again you never had mirrors to look into until recently in evolution terms.

who's this 'yourselves'?

 

[Alan]

Didn't you get that wrong? The taliban united a nation and defeated the russians. The fact they then enforced Islamic law is little excuse to reign missiles on their heads, especially as those laws (and execution) is little different to a country like Saudi Arabia for instance (oh but we don't see america invading Saudi, I wonder why?) Further ties to 'radical islamists' are those same islamists funded, fostered, and encouraged by america (in its war own 'war' against russia.) 9/11 came after missile strikes (by clinton) against Afghanstan, not before, and 9/11 itself seems a crime 'allowed,' through ignored warnings, terror alerts (that every other country seemed aware of, except america.) Oh and once again 'the terror' actually came from Saudi (not afghanistan,)

Did they? In actual fact they were involved in a civil war with the Northern Alliance. Hardly united. In any case even if they were "united" it would have been under an oppressive savage regime.

What about the U.S Embassy bombings in Africa or the first WTC bombings. All before the odd missile rained down on them. Well their donkeys .

Is this reason to fight a false war in Iraq? NO. Is this reason "to create a whole new bunch of terrorists?" NO. Is this is a reason to attack a country not actually financing the 'terrorists?' NO. (Oh but then the saudis are bush's bosom buddies.)

You didn't answer the question. So I'll try again, how are they "meddling"?

So your answer is to just let them carry on with their rampage. So much for you caring for the plight of the innocent.

OH BULLSh#T. Liberty? 600 000+ dead civilians (is this "liberty?") NO.

How many people died for the liberty of Japan, U.S, U.K, S.Korea, France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Germany.....?

Of course you fail to add those who are responsible for the vast majority of deaths. The ones driving car bombs into crowds and operating death squads abducting and executing men, woman and children. Why don't you condemn them or even acknowledge their existence. Oh yes they are the resistance heroes resisting the imperialist west by bombing innocent Iraqis and people in the west to show their "grievances" at the suffering of innocent Iraqis that they themselves are blowing up.

GB "war on terror" has created more terrorists (perhaps this was the real plan.) How does an army of occupation lessen terrorism? It doesn't.

FACT is: anybody who denies the complicity of bush (and upholds his 'sanctity,') is an idiot and a fool: the evidence is overwhelming.

(For instance, read in the last few days: fbi had the tampa flight school under surveillance, owned by the mafia, but of course the fbi was told to do nothing, yet another in a long list of "willfully ignored by the bush administration.")

Oh and lookee here (just found)

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem M. Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C (“I, Salem M. Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330 Bellefontaine, Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on my behalf in all matters relating to the business and operation of Binladen-Houston offices in Houston, Texas.” Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, July 8, 1976.
“According to a 1976 trust agreement, drawn shortly after [George H. W.] Bush was appointed director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Sheik Salem M. Binladen appointed Bath as his business representative in Houston. Binladen, along with his brothers, owns Binladen Brothers Construction, one of the largest construction companies in the Middle East.” Jerry Urban, “Feds Investigate Entrepreneur Allegedly Tied to Saudis,” Houston Chronicle, June 4, 1992.
[source]

Read the document then tell me who is the terrorist (and perpetuating perpetual war for the enrichment of the bush family and list of american companies, not least Cheney's Halliburton.)

Yeah dare we confront these extremists because their might be a surge in violence so lets rather appease them and wait for them to walk all over us like they are doing to innocent people all over the world.