Looking for a sub R600 tripod

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I'm looking for a tripod for the December holidays that I can use to take a few family portraits, panorama's and landscapes.
I dont want to spend more than R600.
The tripod will be used with my canon 550D and 18-55 and 50mm f1.8 lenses, so nothing substantially heavy really.

So far the two best options that I have comes across are the:
Hahnel Triad 30 Lite and the
Hama Traveller Compact Pro.

Both reach about 1.6m, can handle up to 4kg, and can also be used for macro shots which is quite nifty.
Do all tripods allow you to take panorama's as its not specifically mentioned on the manufacturers' sites?

I'm open to other suggestions and advice, so throw it at me
 
Makro has a special for R449 for a Manfrotto MKC3H02 which comes with a quick-release head. http://www.makro.co.za/p/32649/manfrotto-mkc3h02-tripod/

It's only rated for 1.5kg, although my Nikon and small lenses don't weigh more than 820g together. The lower weight capacity might preclude you from using the old trick of hanging the camera bag off the underside to stabilze it. It does have a 5 year warranty according to the site.

As far as panoramas are concerned, it all depends whether you are content with a good quality stitch with a potential for minor distortion or if you want 100% perfection. Keeping the camera level as it turns is essential as you will get distortion in the stitching if lines converge or diverge instead of remaining level.

With a quick-release head like the one on the Manfrotto, all axes are released at the same time, which means the camera could tilt or twist off level if you're not careful. You get three-axis heads which release only one axis at a time, but are more expensive. The two you looked at have ball release heads, also all axes are released, and you don't have the handgrip that the Manfrotto has, so even less control. It doesn't stop you taking a panorama, just makes you do more work than a 3 axis head and you need to be more careful.
 
Thanks! I was looking at that now as I was going through the websites of some of the retailers.

I dont see myself using any gear heavier than 1.5kgs in the next year or two, so 1.5kgs would do.
At weights not exceeding 1.5kg, would it be at least equally as stable as the other 2 I mentioned?
I've heard that the Manfrotto build quality is some of the best, but is it really that much better?

I noticed that, but didnt actually think much of it. In my mind the hand grip would be a huge advantage, and seeing that it is R100 cheaper than the two others it seems like a good choice. I could deal with a little distortion, I mean it'll definitely be a huge step up from my handheld attempts :p

Manfrotto build quality vs an extra 2.5kgs support, that is the question...
 
Manfrotto definitely has excellent build quality, certainly better than the Velbron and other cheapies. Hama and Hahnel are supposed to be mid-range quality, but I've never see one.

I had a look at some Canon lens weights and unless you're heading into the superzooms or telephotos, 400mm and higher, you won't hit the weight limit. And by the time you're buying a heavy enough lens, you're probably spending enough to afford to pay R1200 for a heavier tripod.

Edit: See if you can find a local store that carries the two you looked at and have a feel for them. Also going into a photo store might have stock and brands that aren't on their websites.
 
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I'm looking for a tripod for the December holidays that I can use to take a few family portraits, panorama's and landscapes.

Just keep in mind that a normal tripod head will not give you correct panoramas, since you will be rotating the camera around the mount point, rather than the entrance pupil of the lens. The distortion will prevent you from stitching nearby objects.

Should be fine for landscape, but you may want to practice on nearby objects first to see what I mean.
 
Manfrotto definitely has excellent build quality, certainly better than the Velbron and other cheapies. Hama and Hahnel are supposed to be mid-range quality, but I've never see one.

I had a look at some Canon lens weights and unless you're heading into the superzooms or telephotos, 400mm and higher, you won't hit the weight limit. And by the time you're buying a heavy enough lens, you're probably spending enough to afford to pay R1200 for a heavier tripod.

Edit: See if you can find a local store that carries the two you looked at and have a feel for them. Also going into a photo store might have stock and brands that aren't on their websites.
Yea, I also figure that in time as I get heavier lenses, I'll get a better tripod. I just dont feel that it is worth splashing out on a more expensive model at this point.
Does makro have a decent selection? Perhaps I'll head out there during the week to take a look.
Just keep in mind that a normal tripod head will not give you correct panoramas, since you will be rotating the camera around the mount point, rather than the entrance pupil of the lens. The distortion will prevent you from stitching nearby objects.

Should be fine for landscape, but you may want to practice on nearby objects first to see what I mean.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind!
 
Just keep in mind that a normal tripod head will not give you correct panoramas, since you will be rotating the camera around the mount point, rather than the entrance pupil of the lens. The distortion will prevent you from stitching nearby objects.

Should be fine for landscape, but you may want to practice on nearby objects first to see what I mean.

Sorry fvdbergh but this is the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. Surely the camera should rotate around the sensor plane which is where the camera mount point is centered. Well this is what almost every panorama hint/help/tutorial has said. Or am I just misunderstanding you?
 
Sorry fvdbergh but this is the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. Surely the camera should rotate around the sensor plane which is where the camera mount point is centered. Well this is what almost every panorama hint/help/tutorial has said. Or am I just misunderstanding you?

I would not trust those tutorials. Here is a top-view diagram to illustrate:
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Point "B" is the camera sensor, and point "A" is the location of the entrance pupil. Think back to high-school physics, when we covered simple lenses. Light rays pass through the entrance pupil, indicated by the red dot, to form an inverted image behind the lens --- this image happens to be on our sensor (thick black line). In high-school physics parlance, the lens was a "thin lens", which means the entrance pupil was the centre of the lens (in all axes).

The top diagram illustrates how we want to rotate the camera when taking panorama shots (solid green lines represent rays of light illustrating the field of view of the camera. dotted green lines are the position of the rays after rotating the camera). You will notice that the rightmost blue block will remain hidden behind the left blue block, regardless of how we rotate around the red dot. This is crucial for panoramas, since this implies that a single point in the scene (say, the near corner of the first blue block) will always appear to be at the same position in our larger panorama coordinate system.

The bottom diagram illustrates what happens when you rotate around the sensor, which is of course what happens when you rotate the camera mounted directly on a tripod. Note that the entrance pupil now "orbits" around the sensor, which means that the two blue blocks now appear to move relative to one another. My diagram does not quite push the concept far enough, but you can see that the rightmost blue block is very nearly visible from the camera orientation indicated by the dotted orange lines. This is bad news for a panorama, because the rightmost blue block will now be visible in some of the panorama shots, but obscured by the front block in others, making it impossible to generate a unique view from the position of the sensor.

Like I said in my original post, this is only a problem if you have objects close enough to the camera for the parallax shift to be visible. I found this out the hard way trying to do indoor panorama shots.

The solution is actually simple. Put two tall objects on a table (say, two AA batteries), and align your camera so that you can see them lining up in a straight line like the blue blocks in my diagram. It might help if your camera is slightly elevated so you can see the top of the rear battery at all times. If you now rotate your camera around the tripod mount point, you will see the two batteries moving relative to one another. Now move your index finger along the lens barrel on the underside of the lens. Rotate your camera round the tip of your finger --- you should see less relative movement between the batteries. Continue to move your finger towards the front of the lens barrel, checking for movement between the two batteries as you go along. You should be able to find a point at which relative movement becomes imperceptible --- this is the location of the entry pupil of your lens.

If you want to take multi-row panoramas, you have to centre your rotation in two axes, which typically requires a panorama head, but they are ridiculously overpriced, even the manual versions.
I have build one from aluminium square tubing, which kind of works with a light lens and body.

Anyhow, let me know if my explanation needs some more work.
 
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