Looking to get into photography

The RAW aspect is definitely one plus that he 400D holds over the 1000D, but what about all the other features?

• Live View
• Auto ISO adjust
• Auto lighting optimizer
• Custom 'My Menu'
• ISO in viewfinder
• High ISO noise reduction

I had a look at the video of the auto lighting optimizer and it is stunning.

Not much difference but given the slightly better features, I'd go with the 1000D.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon_1000d/page2.asp
I've got no need for live view - especially considering Canon's implementation of it.

Auto ISO is nice but is it really necessary? I already know my ISO from when I switch on the camera and check the histogram - no chimping please :D

I've already switched off on camera noise reduction and sort it in post with noise ninja.

I would like a custom my menu just to put the format card (and I prefer CF to SD also) in a more convenient place. :o

I dont know about auto lighting optimisation.

All things considered I'd spend the difference on glass, filters, or a flash.
 
I found a place selling the 400D for R5999...

Is that a good price, considering that the shop also sells the Nikon 40D + Lens kit for R4999?

Yours truly,

Confused...
 
I found a place selling the 400D for R5999...

Is that a good price, considering that the shop also sells the Nikon 40D + Lens kit for R4999?

Yours truly,

Confused...
Qn 1: Have you held either/both of them?
Q2: Which one has the lenses you think you'll want?
Actually one (the XTi version) generally sits in the box accompanied by a big silica packet. :D
 
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Qn 1: Have you held either/both of them?
Q2: Which one has the lenses you think you'll want?Actually one (the XTi version) generally sits in the box accompanied by a big silica packet. :D

Sorry, but this will sound somewhat stupid...

Isn't a lens a lens.... Like Canon 120mm vs. Nikon 120mm or something...

Dunno, but the 400D just feels right... Haven't felt the Nikon yet though...

Also would you say the lack of a stabilization feature is a negative for the 400D?

I have some nice software (Adobe Photoshop - gift from uncle) that I can use to edit photos, so a camera that has Adobe RGB selection is kinda cool...

Thanks bwana, for your input.

:)
 
bwana: Well you do make good points about the 400D. It's not that much different. I wanted to ask you - that whole 1.5fps RAW thing about the 1000D - does it have any effect on the images? I know it means the buffer is smaller, which means it can't store as many RAW shots in the buffer, but what does that all actually mean? The only other thing that I like is the autolighting optimizer of the 1000D. I watched the video on the Canon site last night and I was amazed.
 
Sorry, but this will sound somewhat stupid...

Isn't a lens a lens.... Like Canon 120mm vs. Nikon 120mm or something...
No - they might have the same focal length - possibly the same aperture but each is bound to have quirks of their own.
Dunno, but the 400D just feels right... Haven't felt the Nikon yet though...
Pick one up - you'll be carrying it around for a few years so comfort is a factor.
Also would you say the lack of a stabilization feature is a negative for the 400D?
Possibly - Canon offers its IS via their lenses. Nikon too I think.

I dont have any IS lenses - not just because of their extra cost but because of when/where/what I shoot. If I need to keep the camera steady I can always use a tripod or my pod.
I have some nice software (Adobe Photoshop - gift from uncle) that I can use to edit photos, so a camera that has Adobe RGB selection is kinda cool...
depending on if you're going to print or just display it on a monitor the Adobe RGB colour space might not be the right choice - having it as an option sure doesn't hurt though :)
Thanks bwana, for your input.

:)
Pleasure :)
bwana: Well you do make good points about the 400D. It's not that much different. I wanted to ask you - that whole 1.5fps RAW thing about the 1000D - does it have any effect on the images? I know it means the buffer is smaller, which means it can't store as many RAW shots in the buffer, but what does that all actually mean? The only other thing that I like is the autolighting optimizer of the 1000D. I watched the video on the Canon site last night and I was amazed.
It means that once the three consecutive shots have been taken there is a lag while the first one is written to the card before you can take the next shot.

I'll have to have a look at the auto lighting thingamajig.
 
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Just saw something...

Theres DSLR and advanced digital cameras or something like that..

Apparently SLRs rely on the ability to interchange lenses, to achieve a perfect shot..

The other has a lens built in that zooms etc. Most cannot interchange lenses..

You know, I think you need to decide how much you want to spend. The Canon G9 can be operated just about fully manually but is still compact enough to put in your shirt pocket, and you don't have to fiddle around with lenses. If you intend to be using the DSLR in point&shoot mode you won't learn anything anycase.

SLRs aren't better because their lenses are better. Many point&shoots have very very high quality glass. If you think about it, these days they have to be able to resolve 10MP+ through that tiny piece of glass, so it has to be pretty high quality glass. SLRs are better (in terms of image quality) because their lenses are wider and their sensors are bigger, which mean they can resolve details much better, capture more light, use less electronic trickery i.e. cause less noise, and they tend to have more powerful processors, so their jpeg output is better than what you get from a P&S. Point in case, the Canon G9. 12MP, and it can do RAW. The JPEGs from it, if you look closely, look just as smudgy as from any other P&S I've owned, but if you look at the RAW files from it, there is a heck of a lot more detail. So, the camera loses a lot of detail when converting to JPEG, and this is because it's not powerful enough to do the same quailty conversion (you could argue that's done on purpose - marketing...).

bwana: Well you do make good points about the 400D. It's not that much different. I wanted to ask you - that whole 1.5fps RAW thing about the 1000D - does it have any effect on the images? I know it means the buffer is smaller, which means it can't store as many RAW shots in the buffer, but what does that all actually mean? The only other thing that I like is the autolighting optimizer of the 1000D. I watched the video on the Canon site last night and I was amazed.

Well, of course that video would be too good to be true. They choose the image matter for those videos really carefully so that the feature performs as good as it possibly can. They want you to sell your 400D and get the 1000D. You know what, when you're out there taking your pictures, all those wizz-bang features only give you consistent, good results if you are in good conditions. As soon as your conditions become challenging - too many different light sources, too much contrast in the scene, etc - those features will start failing you, and you will have to be able to work out how to take that shot properly yourself. If you learned to shoot while relying on those features, and those features fail you, guess what? You'll miss the shot.

Anyway, those features don't help you much when you're shooting RAW anycase.
 
Lenses and the ability to choose the right lens for the right application are much more important than that.

I am not saying currently there are SLR's with better quality lenses than some of the point and shoots, but the ability to choose is the biggest difference.

I can personally give you two different lenses right now for a camera that might look the same... but take the same photo with the same camera through them.. and you will think one was taken by a complete idiot.

Point and Shoot Camera's have made things much easier, and DSLR's have also meant that many more people can take really really good photographs, but put the right camera in the hands of a pro... and he will take photo's a million times better than any point and Shoot

PS: I'm not talking about myself here.. just seen the difference between photo's I have taken with a really expensive "point and shoot", compared to my Brother-in-law who is a professional photographer. Technology has made it easier.. but dont underestimate the guys who know what they are doing... Especially not the lenses.

But one this I think is true.. do you want to be a "PRO" or somebody who takes really good photo's??? Its all about how much you have to spend?
Of course.. add photoshop into it.. and I have seen photo's taken by a complete idiot.. look better than any pro... Technology has changed much from 35mm film to what we can all do now
 
I am not saying currently there are SLR's with better quality lenses than some of the point and shoots

I'm not saying the opposite either. All I'm saying is P&S don't give crappy jpegs because they have bad glass.

I can personally give you two different lenses right now for a camera that might look the same... but take the same photo with the same camera through them.. and you will think one was taken by a complete idiot.

While I agree that there are excellent lenses and rubbish lenses for SLRs, I wouldn't go as far as saying a poor quality lens necessarily produces bad images. I've seen bad hardware (and not just in photography) produce excellent results in the hands of a pro.

Point in case, some people are taking really nice pics with Holga/Lomos. Go figure ;)


@iDenTiTy_CRiSiS, to add to your confusion, here's the 1000D review, fresh off the press:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1000d/
 
This review really confirms what I've been thinking all along. The 1000D is not the new version of the 400D - it's *below* the 400D. It only has a few new goodies because technology have moved on. If you want a camera that replaces the 400D, get the 450D - the 1000D is the new entry level, and it's a lower entry point than the 400D was.
 
Well, of course that video would be too good to be true. They choose the image matter for those videos really carefully so that the feature performs as good as it possibly can. They want you to sell your 400D and get the 1000D. You know what, when you're out there taking your pictures, all those wizz-bang features only give you consistent, good results if you are in good conditions. As soon as your conditions become challenging - too many different light sources, too much contrast in the scene, etc - those features will start failing you, and you will have to be able to work out how to take that shot properly yourself. If you learned to shoot while relying on those features, and those features fail you, guess what? You'll miss the shot.

Anyway, those features don't help you much when you're shooting RAW anycase.

True.
 
I went to Makro yesterday, and played with the Nikon D40 (R5000) and the Canon 400D (R7500). Here are my subjective opinions - this is just how the camera felt to me :) ...

I preferred the feel on the Nikon - the grip as well as the viewfinder. Using the Nikon viewfinder felt more natural to use. I felt like I have to focus on the canon viewfinder more - I had to move my head/eye a few time to look through the viewfinder correctly. The large number of auto-focus points visible in the canon viewfinder were also a bit distracting.

They are both great cameras, but to me the Nikon is a bit more comfortable/natural to use. I'm sure other people may find in the canons favor... so I agree with may comments in this thread to test out a camera and see how they work for you. I can recommend going to Makro - they let me take out a few DSLRs and play with they - no problem.
 
I'm thinking of going for a Sony lol. I'm sorry that I keep changing my mind, but I want a SLR that's capable of delivering when it comes to astrophotography as well. The Sony Alpha range has CCDs instead of CMOS sensors, which is perfect for astrophotography - long, long exposures without a noise issue.

I think the Nikon D40 and D60 are also CCD... Anyway, the new Sonys do seem pretty good. I read an article on the A350 - has a really nice Live View system :)
 
I'm thinking of going for a Sony lol. I'm sorry that I keep changing my mind, but I want a SLR that's capable of delivering when it comes to astrophotography as well. The Sony Alpha range has CCDs instead of CMOS sensors, which is perfect for astrophotography - long, long exposures without a noise issue.
If you want to play with my Sony Alpha I have 2 - the A100 and the A700 you are more than welcome.
 
If you want to play with my Sony Alpha I have 2 - the A100 and the A700 you are more than welcome.

That's very kind of you. Whereabouts are you situated? I was looking at the A200, but I read the cons on dpreview.com and now I'm looking at perhaps the A300, but I wanna check out the reviews for that as well.
 
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