MAC or PC?

[Carlhead]

It could be a difference in the distro couldnt it? I've only used it with Ubuntu.

Don't think so, we're using Debian Sarge at that client.

Redhat ES3 & 4 and Debian Dapper Drake at other clients.

 

[bwana]

One thing I use to save time is an automator workflow that mounts my shares. It would be easy enough for you to add this to the login items or in the toolbar.

EDIT - of course you can add shares to the users login items anyway but having a script to do them all seems to simplify things.

 

[Claymore]

You're the first person I've ever heard complain about build quality and considering you can easily triple boot OsX, Windoze, and Linux I've got to wonder what your software is that it wont run on any of those operating systems.

I have no problems with the build quality, just their styling.

Software-wise, I'd be talking OsX. If I wanted a Windows machine, I sure as hell would not pay a fat premium for Apple hardware.

Never mind software - OsX probably wouldn't support half my peripherals properly.

 

[Nokkie]

is the performance on the mac worth it?

 

[bwana]

Software-wise, I'd be talking OsX. If I wanted a Windows machine, I sure as hell would not pay a fat premium for Apple hardware.

Sure - its a premium machine - similarly priced to Dells these days and you get what you pay for.

Never mind software - OsX probably wouldn't support half my peripherals properly.

Using Parallels most windows software can be run within OsX - who knows what hardware you're talking about so I'm not even going to hazard a guess. From what I've see hardware compatibility has rarely been a problem.

is the performance on the mac worth it?

Depends what you want to do with it.

 

[Claymore]

Sure - its a premium machine - similarly priced to Dells these days and you get what you pay for.

Wouldn't buy one of those either.

Using Parallels most windows software can be run within OsX - who knows what hardware you're talking about so I'm not even going to hazard a guess. From what I've see hardware compatibility has rarely been a problem.

Stuff like Logitech joystick for flight sims, Logitech bluetooth keyboard/mouse with programmable buttons, TV card, and suchlike.

 

[Nokkie]

Sure - its a premium machine - similarly priced to Dells these days and you get what you pay for.Using Parallels most windows software can be run within OsX - who knows what hardware you're talking about so I'm not even going to hazard a guess. From what I've see hardware compatibility has rarely been a problem.Depends what you want to do with it.

like running these adobe photoshop, macromedia,maya, 3d studio max

when i one buy i don't want it to hang it's really irritating

 

[BobJones]

The macs are so irratating, where the PC's can just browse to the Linux box on the network and see all the shares... With the damn Apples you have to use "Go" "connect to server" then if you don't use smb://servername/share then they can only see the private home directory and no other shares.

IMHO that's as difficult as it gets... once you've setup a share it never drops and the mac always remembers where it is.

I've got a samba drive designated as my safari download directory. When the share is not connected and I begin a download - OS X reconnects to the share and my download begins seemlessly.
On the other hand my windoze machines constantly drop the samba connection, usually during file transfer and definitely aren't smart enough to reconnect, they just come up with drive could not be found.

I have no problems with the build quality, just their styling.

Now if you don't like the styling on a mac, you must be severely fashion challenged.
Very few PC's come even close to the combination of form factor and functionality that a mac offers.

Software-wise, I'd be talking OsX. If I wanted a Windows machine, I sure as hell would not pay a fat premium for Apple hardware.

The premium is not that fat at all... try doing a like for like spec comparison, and don't forget to add the price of a "works" package and dvd authoring into the mix.

Never mind software - OsX probably wouldn't support half my peripherals properly.

Most macs are fully loaded... and I haven't got any peripherals that don't work on a mac, if anything its been easier to connect them.

when i one buy i don't want it to hang it's really irritating

Ah the infamous blue screen of death and three finger salute... my macs almost never crash bringing the entire system down... maybe once or twice a year and generally only on beta software.
On the rare occasions that a app freezes, you can quit and relaunch and you don't lose any data.

I find a reboot my windoze machine more in a day than I do the mac in a quarter.

 

[lilDeath]

When I checked last month the MAC was still priced more than the Dell comparison. They didn't even offer some of the hardware specifications.
Maybe it's changed now....

I am a gamer, so I would definitely be wanting to play some games on it. I bought my current laptop which was highly-specced 2 years ago. It still works, albeit a bit slower with all the tech / games / app changes.

I am looking for the best: price, build, performance, support, scale and spec-wise.

Sell me

 

[Claymore]

Now if you don't like the styling on a mac, you must be severely fashion challenged.
Very few PC's come even close to the combination of form factor and functionality that a mac offers.

Maybe I am fashion challenged...but I don't like the shiny whites and that sort of thing. I like black & silver, functional.

The premium is not that fat at all... try doing a like for like spec comparison, and don't forget to add the price of a "works" package and dvd authoring into the mix.

Spec for spec would be a massacre - I am a computer dealer, after all. Price of works package + DVD authoring = 0. (Never mind all the non-freeware Windows software suites I already own).

 

[Carlhead]

IMHO that's as difficult as it gets... once you've setup a share it never drops and the mac always remembers where it is.

I've got a samba drive designated as my safari download directory. When the share is not connected and I begin a download - OS X reconnects to the share and my download begins seemlessly.
On the other hand my windoze machines constantly drop the samba connection, usually during file transfer and definitely aren't smart enough to reconnect, they just come up with drive could not be found.

Are you mapping network drives in Windoze or something? Cause those automatically reconnect... but you don't have to mount normal shares in Windoze, you just browse to the server and see the shares. I've never had issues with network drives mapped on a Samba server, if the server is down and comes back up, when you double click on the map it reconnects.

I don't quite understand what you mean by "drop the samba connection". Never had this happen, especially during file transfer.

Now if you don't like the styling on a mac, you must be severely fashion challenged.
Very few PC's come even close to the combination of form factor and functionality that a mac offers.

Some Mac's look nice, but I hate the fact that you get absolutely 0 choice

IMO the new iMac's look freaking ugly!

The premium is not that fat at all... try doing a like for like spec comparison, and don't forget to add the price of a "works" package and dvd authoring into the mix.

Why shoud we add the price of the "works" package, why do you have to pay for software whether you want it or not...

But at the end of the day the premium is massive, esp. if you are a dealer.

Most macs are fully loaded... and I haven't got any peripherals that don't work on a mac, if anything its been easier to connect them.

Most peripherals work cross platform, as long as you check the box before buying them... I know some printers have issues.

Ah the infamous blue screen of death and three finger salute... my macs almost never crash bringing the entire system down... maybe once or twice a year and generally only on beta software.
On the rare occasions that a app freezes, you can quit and relaunch and you don't lose any data.

Windows XP only blue screens when there is a hardware fault, or if ther user has done something to severly mess up one of the drivers.

Granted Macs are definitely more stable than Windoez machines, but I've seen hundereds of app crashes.... usually they don't freeze, they just close, disappere and take whatever you were working on with them... this is especially true of the Macromedia Suite.

I find a reboot my windoze machine more in a day than I do the mac in a quarter.

If you install windoze properly and don't install any dodgy cr@p then you shoudn't need to reboot for any other reason than updates... however Windoze will reboot for updates totally randomly, and irrelevant of what you were in the middle of or how important it was.

Windows updates especially love it when you have loads of work open, it secretly watches and waits for you to turn you back then annihilates everything that is open without any chance of saving anything.

 

[lilDeath]

however Windoze will reboot for updates totally randomly, and irrelevant of what you were in the middle of or how important it was.

Windows updates especially love it when you have loads of work open, it secretly watches and waits for you to turn you back then annihilates everything that is open without any chance of saving anything.

And you were doing so well and then you go and utter such BS...
No man, come on now, obviously you havent set the updates schedule and actions correctly...
What you describe has never happened to me, in my personal or professional experience
again

 

[bwana]

No man, come on now, obviously you havent set the updates schedule and actions correctly...
What you describe has never happened to me, in my personal or professional experience
again

There was a story on Digg just the other day where this happened to a guy and from the comments it wasnt an isolated occurrence.

 

[Carlhead]

And you were doing so well and then you go and utter such BS...
No man, come on now, obviously you havent set the updates schedule and actions correctly...
What you describe has never happened to me, in my personal or professional experience
again

Dude this happens to users eveyday... if you tell it to download and install updates automatically it will reboot your machine automatically to.

It gives you this pop up window that counts down... if you don't pospone it, then it reboots. If you do, then it pops up again 10 mins later... really annoying if you're watching a DVD on your media centre.

 

[lilDeath]

There was a story on Digg just the other day where this happened to a guy and from the comments it wasnt an isolated occurrence.

Gotta link for me? Would like to see what the scenario was.

if you tell it to download and install updates automatically it will reboot your machine automatically to.

You had to say it didn't you...
The key word I believe here is automatically... which YOU told it to do....
That is NOT the only option you know.
You must be crazy to allow MS to do stuff automatically to your PC... wtf dude??
double

 

[Carlhead]

Gotta link for me? Would like to see what the scenario was.


You had to say it didn't you...
The key word I believe here is automatically... which YOU told it to do....
That is NOT the only option you know.
You must be crazy to allow MS to do stuff automatically to your PC... wtf dude??
double

So you mean users have to magically know to not use the **highly recommended** settings that MS sugests??

It's just poor OS design, was my point.

 

[lilDeath]

So you mean users have to magically know to not use the **highly recommended** settings that MS sugests??
It's just poor OS design, was my point.

The point is this wont happen to educated users but I guess that is also a completely different subject for another thread...
If you trust any partner / vendor / manufacturer / company when they say ***highly recommended*** without finding out the exact ramifications, be prepared for some disillusionment

 

[Carlhead]

The point is this wont happen to educated users but I guess that is also a completely different subject for another thread...

You don't have to be an educated user to use a Mac without unexpected occourences.

If you trust any partner / vendor / manufacturer / company when they say ***highly recommended*** without finding out the exact ramifications, be prepared for some disillusionment

Especially Microsoft

 

[BobJones]

This is becoming a bit of he said - she said...
I've found a mac to be a much better quality product with a superior user experience, plus they look real good
I've also found that a lot of PC users have (poor) opinions about the machines without ever having seen, nevermind used one.

In the end it comes down to personal choice... and some common sense. If you want a computer for hardcore gaming... get a PC. If you need one for pretty much everything else or you want to get your grandma computer literate... get a mac.

 

[Carlhead]

This is becoming a bit of he said - she said...
I've found a mac to be a much better quality product with a superior user experience, plus they look real good
I've also found that a lot of PC users have (poor) opinions about the machines without ever having seen, nevermind used one.

In the end it comes down to personal choice... and some common sense. If you want a computer for hardcore gaming... get a PC. If you need one for pretty much everything else or you want to get your grandma computer literate... get a mac.

heheheh, IMO if you need a machine for just about anything get a PC...

If you're loaded and need a machine for graphics / dvd authoring / design... get a Mac

If you're loaded and want a really awesome notebook, get a macbook pro and install windoze on it.