Mac OS X Lion unveiled

Pixual said:
Nope. Each Apple machine has its own flavour of OS X.
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I'm not so sure about that. Sure, each machine has its own flavour, but it's not like it needs its own special download... Apple didn't exactly press a special OS installation disc for each individual machine - you only get one version of Snow Leopard which works for all Macs.

I downloaded Xcode, an almost 6GB file, from the Mac App store on my iMac, copied it over to my MacBook Pro, and voila - Xcode running on two machines but with just one download. Only time will tell, I think.
 
On the subject of downloads... I think it's a bit silly of Apple to distribute OS 10.7 as a download only. Sure, it'll take some of us an hour to download but not everybody has got a broadband connection. Sureley they could've provided a physical option - a DVD or a flash drive - for those who can't download the upgrade?
 
greg0205 said:
Nah dude, missing the point... XP to XP SP3 is like Snow Leopard 10.6.6 to Snow Leopard 10.6.7. Like bwana pointed out, Lion IS like going from XP to 7 for $58,00.
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With the option of an Upgrade to Lion as opposed to a clean reinstall for Xp-7.
 
Windows 8

Oh wait there are now 10 metaphors to choose from when trying to do something, even more cluttered and trying too hard to sell us something. Windows 8 going to kick your ass! Again I state that our designers are starting to drop macs like flies for the power they can get in a windows 7 pc. 2 led 23 inch monitors plus monster graphics and 32 gigs for around 9 k. Whatever Apple adios! Even the cloud services are already free with other providers like google and amazon.
 
nalu said:
Oh wait there are now 10 metaphors to choose from when trying to do something, even more cluttered and trying too hard to sell us something. Windows 8 going to kick your ass! Again I state that our designers are starting to drop macs like flies for the power they can get in a windows 7 pc. 2 led 23 inch monitors plus monster graphics and 32 gigs for around 9 k. Whatever Apple adios! Even the cloud services are already free with other providers like google and amazon.
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Lol....
 
nalu said:
Oh wait there are now 10 metaphors to choose from when trying to do something, even more cluttered and trying too hard to sell us something. Windows 8 going to kick your ass! Again I state that our designers are starting to drop macs like flies for the power they can get in a windows 7 pc. 2 led 23 inch monitors plus monster graphics and 32 gigs for around 9 k. Whatever Apple adios! Even the cloud services are already free with other providers like google and amazon.
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Oh dear, you turned left into I Can Pee Further Than You Street when you were supposed to turn right into Adult Conversation Boulevard.
I'm really not sure Apple are trying to sell YOU anything at all... 'tho if you read the posts on this forum, from just about everyone who owns a Mac, you'll notice that most of us have already decided to buy Lion and not trade the machines we love for a PC running Windows 8. For reinforcement of your one-sided, stereotypical rant, might I suggest clicking on the MyBB home page, scrolling down to IT Discussions and clicking on Software... Just saying.
 
phiber said:
Thats what they sold Snow Leopard at....
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Actually it's cheaper... $30 is the cost of one Snow Leopard license, but since Lion is a Mac App Store purchase, your $30 gives you installs on up to 10 of your macs.

So you are really comparing against the price of Snow Leopard Family pack (5 licenses).
 
BobJones said:
Actually it's cheaper... $30 is the cost of one Snow Leopard license, but since Lion is a Mac App Store purchase, your $30 gives you installs on up to 10 of your macs.

So you are really comparing against the price of Snow Leopard Family pack (5 licenses).
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:D
 
ievei said:
On the subject of downloads... I think it's a bit silly of Apple to distribute OS 10.7 as a download only. Sure, it'll take some of us an hour to download but not everybody has got a broadband connection. Sureley they could've provided a physical option - a DVD or a flash drive - for those who can't download the upgrade?
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My sentiments too. I have a MacBook and Mac Mini. If I have to d/load and pay for them both I reckon I might just avoid this upgrade. Apple's updates for iOS almost always fail on me when I first try to download them, so I can imagine how much bandwidth this episode might suck. They have to provide a disk option otherwise they are making a big mistake.
 
Pixual said:
My sentiments too. I have a MacBook and Mac Mini. If I have to d/load and pay for them both I reckon I might just avoid this upgrade. Apple's updates for iOS almost always fail on me when I first try to download them, so I can imagine how much bandwidth this episode might suck. They have to provide a disk option otherwise they are making a big mistake.
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I don't know what the fuss is about. The vast majority of software I've bought have been via download. If there is a way to create a flash disk or write a bootdisk for emergencies, then a download is just fine.
 
When you d/load out of the app store you don't get a dmg or anything you can re-use. It all happens seamlessly.
 
I don't think that this is going to be too much of a hassle since the OS cleans up after itself after installs. The download package usually ends up in the trash after install, plus Apple provides three ways to install an app on multiple macs. From the MAS help:

On the other Mac, find the application in App Store, click Buy or Free, and then provide the Apple ID you used to purchase the application.

Copy the application from one Mac to another Mac. When you open the copied application on the other Mac, enter the Apple ID used to purchase it.

Open App Store on the other Mac, and then log in using the Apple ID used to make the purchase.

Click Purchases in the toolbar to list applications purchased. Any application that has an INSTALL option was purchased using the Apple ID, but not installed on the Mac you’re using. You can download and install the application on the Mac.
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I'm sure that the Leopard install will provide some way of doing this since apple will also want to limit the number of times it has to serve the file to the same location.

But then again "this is just another file the size of a regular HD movie download from iTunes"
 
Pixual said:
When you d/load out of the app store you don't get a dmg or anything you can re-use. It all happens seamlessly.
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Yeah, but Lion will be a system update, not just an app downloading to your Applications folder. Pretty sure it'll be a DMG download with an installer package.
 
Could of sworn I heard Phil Schiller say that you wouldn't need to reboot when installing lion - which would make it a very special installer.
 
bwana said:
Ok, so it costs $58 to go from Tiger to Lion. How much does it cost to go from XP to Windows 7 Ultimate?
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Your price is out by $100, since the $30 upgrade license for Snow Leopard is from Leopard only. The upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard is $129 (i.e. single Snow Leopard license in OSX box). Sure, you can use a Snow Leopard upgrade directly on Tiger, but you're breaching the license agreement if you do so, and doing the legal equivalent of pirating Leopard.

The price issue is anyway besides the point, given the different feature sets of the OS's and their hardware requirements. I was simply pointing out the difference in the apparent price of the upgrade versus the actual price if you aren't on Snow Leopard, and balancing that against the benefits of the upgrade route, i.e. you can't get screwed by upgrading just before another OS release.
 
One random cool new piece of technology: Apple released a new Core Image filter which does facial recognition - and they're building Core Image into iOS 5 ... I wanna write a 3D game that uses head coupled perspective with this.
 
Rudimental said:
Your price is out by $100, since the $30 upgrade license for Snow Leopard is from Leopard only. The upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard is $129 (i.e. single Snow Leopard license in OSX box). Sure, you can use a Snow Leopard upgrade directly on Tiger, but you're breaching the license agreement if you do so, and doing the legal equivalent of pirating Leopard.
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Absolutely correct. I also should have asked from Windows ME since Tiger to Lion is four versions (Tiger>Leopard>Snow Leopard>Lion). So lets just keep the math simple and say $58 to go from Leopard to Lion. :)
The price issue is anyway besides the point, given the different feature sets of the OS's and their hardware requirements. I was simply pointing out the difference in the apparent price of the upgrade versus the actual price if you aren't on Snow Leopard, and balancing that against the benefits of the upgrade route, i.e. you can't get screwed by upgrading just before another OS release.
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Also people seem to forget that in the past people who have purchased mac just before a OS upgrade release usually get the new version for free or significantly discounted.
 
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