Man impaled by swordfish

[Xarog]

I'm simply pointing out the irony in complaining because a swordfish got shot while the guy complaining is probably scarfing down a steak this weekend. In both cases the animals had to die unnecessarily. I'm pretty sure neither the cow nor the swordfish wants to die for your entertainment, be it eating or recreational. You can't complain about the one while advocating the other.

No idea wtf your implication of animal abuse comes from.

Killing something because you want to eat it is different from killing something because you seek entertainment. Much like shooting someone breaking into your house is self-defence while doing it to someone minding their own business is murder. There is no irony here.

 

[CAPS LOCK]

Killing something because you want to eat it is different from killing something because you seek entertainment. Much like shooting someone breaking into your house is self-defence while doing it to someone minding their own business is murder. There is no irony here.

We have our bill of rights as did the fish in this case.

 

[Zewp]

Killing something because you want to eat it is different from killing something because you seek entertainment. Much like shooting someone breaking into your house is self-defence while doing it to someone minding their own business is murder. There is no irony here.

There actually is. You don't need meat to survive. Meat is simply a luxury and you gladly look the other way when it comes to harvesting animals so that you can indulge that luxury, but dear god, don't let someone hunt an animal for entertainment because that is just wrong.

Go ask the cow whether she feels any better about being killed than the swordfish.

 

[chicken247]

There actually is. You don't need meat to survive. Meat is simply a luxury and you gladly look the other way when it comes to harvesting animals so that you can indulge that luxury, but dear god, don't let someone hunt an animal for entertainment because that is just wrong.

Go ask the cow whether she feels any better about being killed than the swordfish.

You know that sound that carrots make when you pull 'em from the ground, they be screaming... and then you go and boil/steam/fry 'em... You sir, are a monster.

 

[bokdrol]

This is a silly old argument.

 

[Xarog]

There actually is. You don't need meat to survive. Meat is simply a luxury and you gladly look the other way when it comes to harvesting animals so that you can indulge that luxury, but dear god, don't let someone hunt an animal for entertainment because that is just wrong.

Go ask the cow whether she feels any better about being killed than the swordfish.

You're the idiot making the distinction between the value of plant life and animal life if you want to start taking the sophistry to absurd positions. Not that the lack of a distinction is absurd actually. As it happens I object to plants being killed needlessly too, and I'm not enough of a retard to think that the plant I ate didn't want to not be eaten just because it didn't have the facililities to scream in an emotionally distressing way.

But go ahead, I'll have lots of fun running logical circles around you if you really want to break it down into semantics.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

You know that sound that carrots make when you pull 'em from the ground, they be screaming... and then you go and boil/steam/fry 'em... You sir, are a monster.

That's why I avoid vegetables. They don't have the means to complain about their impending death. What's worse....killing something that has no ability to squeal, or something that will kick and scream its way to death? I dunno actually, but I definitely know what's easier.

Anyway, killing plants for fun and killing plants for food is the same thing apparently

 

[Hamish McPanji]

You are aware that I eat meat, right? I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy here.

There is no hypocrisy involved. We are at the top of the food chain, and we behave like it. But rather be a Mufasa than a Scar.

 

[Zewp]

You're the idiot making the distinction between the value of plant life and animal life if you want to start taking the sophistry to absurd positions. Not that the lack of a distinction is absurd actually. As it happens I object to plants being killed needlessly too, and I'm not enough of a retard to think that the plant I ate didn't want to not be eaten just because it didn't have the facililities to scream in an emotionally distressing way.

But go ahead, I'll have lots of fun running logical circles around you if you really want to break it down into semantics.

You are aware that I'm not vegetarian/vegan, right? I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy in condemning sport hunting, but not farming animals for food. You can't complain about one and condone the other. We don't need to do either of them for survival. At the end of the day the animal is still dead in each case. I highly doubt an animal about to be killed cares whether it will be eaten or not.

All things considered, hunting an animal is actually less cruel than raising it in unnatural conditions simply so it can be slaughtered.

 

[Zewp]

There is no hypocrisy involved. We are at the top of the food chain, and we behave like it. But rather be a Mufasa than a Scar.

There absolutely is when you consider that you don't need meat to survive. We simply ignore the cruelty of animals for meat because it's too hard to give up our burgers and fries.

Now I'm off to go make myself a ham sandwich.

 

[Xarog]

You are aware that I'm not vegetarian/vegan, right?

Erm... That's kind of the point. You're ignoring every distinction that you don't like and automatically assuming every one you do like is valid. And so all I really have to do is to point this out and laugh at you.

I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy in condemning sport hunting, but not farming animals for food.

It's not hypocrisy, genius. I don't base the distinction on whether or not the animal died, I'm judging you based on what you intended to do with the animal. In other words if you're a cruel piece of rubbish, I'm calling you on it for being cruel and there's literally nothing you can do to stop me.

You can't complain about one and condone the other. We don't need to do either of them for survival. At the end of the day the animal is still dead in each case. I highly doubt an animal about to be killed cares whether it will be eaten or not.

Once again. Everyone needs to eat. One can kill for food while still respecting the animal for what it is. Hunting purely for sport is a crime against the sanctity of life.

All things considered, hunting an animal is actually less cruel than raising it in unnatural conditions simply so it can be slaughtered.

Indeed. So make sure you eat what you hunt and we won't have a problem.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

What's so barbaric about hunting a fish for sport?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

There absolutely is when you consider that you don't need meat to survive. We simply ignore the cruelty of animals for meat because it's too hard to give up our burgers and fries .

Hunting animals for sport is no more cruel than farming them for meat, when it comes right down to it. Now I'm off to go make myself a ham sandwich.

Dunno what meat fries you been chomping on, but the ones I have are made of genuine 100% farm murdered potatoes, cooked in oil extracted from them pretty yellow flowers, who were taken from their families by our machines and had their babies (seeds) removed and juiced....all for our eating pleasure.

 

[Zewp]

It's not hypocrisy, genius. I don't base the distinction on whether or not the animal died, I'm judging you based on what you intended to do with the animal. In other words if you're a cruel piece of rubbish, I'm calling you on it for being cruel and there's literally nothing you can do to stop me.

And raising animals in artificial environments for the sake of slaughtering them for food is not cruel? I'm pretty sure those squealing pigs at the slaughterhouse disagree with you. Meat is a luxury for which you'll gladly overlook the cruelty, yet you can't overlook the same cruelty in hunting? Lol.

Once again. Everyone needs to eat. One can kill for food while still respecting the animal for what it is. Hunting purely for sport is a crime against the sanctity of life.

Everything needs to eat, but you don't have to eat meat. You could very easily survive without a poor animal having to die for your luxuries. You're no better than the hunter, mate. Bringing all kinds of BS like "sanctity of life" into it doesn't change the fact that that donkey didn't have to die so that you could have a Spur burger. If you really cared about the sanctity of life, you would oppose any unnecessary killing of animals.

 

[Zewp]

Dunno what meat fries you been chomping on, but the ones I have are made of genuine 100% farm murdered potatoes, cooked in oil extracted from them pretty yellow flowers, who were taken from their families by our machines and had their babies (seeds) removed and juiced....all for our eating pleasure.

Are potatoes sentient?

This is simply a case of complaining about hunting, while going "Omnomnomnom KFC" at this:

 

[Hamish McPanji]

If you really cared about the sanctity of life, you would oppose any unnecessary killing of animals.

I think your discrimination against plants has gone far enough. Just because they don't move fast and make sounds doesn't meant they are not living things. What makes you think they don't qualify?

 

[Lager]

I think what you guys are missing here is Purpose, not the cruelty behind killing

If you had to choose between killing for survival and killing for fun, what would it be?

Please don't tell me about how we can survive without meat 'cause it's still part of most people's diet....and you wouldn't expect the omnivore 'community' in the wild to go vegetarian either

Hunting for fun /sport is imho UNNECESSARY

 

[Ninja'd]

Hunting for fun /sport is imho UNNECESSARY

What about bugs? I used to roast ants with a magnifying glass and dismembered their and the flies' legs and winga one by one. Then put them in the freezer to see if they could survive.

 

[Xarog]

And raising animals in artificial environments for the sake of slaughtering them for food is not cruel?

No, that is also cruel. There's a reason I no longer eat or buy chicken.

I'm pretty sure those squealing pigs at the slaughterhouse disagree with you. Meat is a luxury for which you'll gladly overlook the cruelty, yet you can't overlook the same cruelty in hunting? Lol.

Who said I overlook the cruelty? I expect all animals to be treated humanely. That means no battery farming; it's unethical.

Everything needs to eat, but you don't have to eat meat. You could very easily survive without a poor animal having to die for your luxuries.

Yeah, I'd have to eat plants instead. Why is an animal's life more important than a plant's? You didn't answer this question.

You're no better than the hunter, mate. Bringing all kinds of BS like "sanctity of life" into it doesn't change the fact that that donkey didn't have to die so that you could have a Spur burger. If you really cared about the sanctity of life, you would oppose any unnecessary killing of animals.

I do oppose unneccessarily killing of animals. AND plants. And that means only killing them insofar as there is a valid need. And eating for food is something all living organisms do, and they don't discriminate by what they can eat. I'm comfortable living by that natural law. Hunting purely for entertainment forms no part of it. If you don't eat what you intentionally kill as part of a ritualised activity of acquiring food to eat (i.e. "hunting"), you ought to be ashamed.

Edit: And again, why exactly is torturing an animal for entertainment wrong if killing one for entertainment is ok? You didn't answer this question either.

 

[Zewp]

Hunting for fun /sport is imho UNNECESSARY

As is hunting for food. The fact that you can survive without meat is core to the discussion here. You're not in a position where you have to eat meat to survive. The motivation for killing the animal is irrelevant when in both cases its death is completely unnecessary.

It's condemning one form of unnecessary cruelty while advocating another. Just admit that we're all just as bad as hunters and lets move on with our lives. I love my bacon, thus I don't bitch and moan when someone kills a wild boar for the fun of it.