Mars One a scam?

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Mars One Finalist Explains Exactly How It‘s Ripping Off Supporters

A worrying read. I've been shooting down the sceptics untill know, but this is not written on a technical level. Skype interviews, commision for interviews, no Endemol. If this guy I right - this is going to turn out to be a very nasty con.

No money, no process, no explanation: An insider speaks out on the hopelessly flawed scheme.

By Elmo Keep

When Joseph first signed up with Mars One — the media-hyped, one-way mission to colonize the red planet being floated by a Dutch non-profit — he didn’t think much of it. The former NASA researcher said he never really took the application seriously; he was just putting his hat in the ring mostly out of curiosity, and with the hope of bringing public attention to space science.

But eventually Joseph — who is actually Dr. Joseph Roche, an assistant professor at Trinity College’s School of Education in Dublin, with a Ph.D. in physics and astrophysics — found himself on the group’s shortlist of 100 candidates all willing to undertake the theoretical journey. And that’s when he started talking to me about the big problems he was seeing with Mars One.

It was difficult for him to break his silence, but he was spurred into speaking out by the uncritical news coverage. Many basic assumptions about the project remain unchallenged. Most egregiously, many media outlets continue to report that Mars One received applications from 200,000 people who would be happy to die on another planet — when the number it actually received was 2,761.

As Roche observed the process from an insider’s perspective, his concerns increased. Chief among them: that some leading contenders for the mission had bought their way into that position, and are being encouraged to “donate” any appearance fees back to Mars One — which seemed to him very strange for an outfit that needs billions of dollars to complete its objective.

“When you join the ‘Mars One Community,’ which happens automatically if you applied as a candidate, they start giving you points,” Roche explained to me in an email. “You get points for getting through each round of the selection process (but just an arbitrary number of points, not anything to do with ranking), and then the only way to get more points is to buy merchandise from Mars One or to donate money to them.”
Dr. Joseph Roche

“Community members” can redeem points by purchasing merchandise like T-shirts, hoodies, and posters, as well as through gifts and donations: The group also solicits larger investment from its supporters. Others have been encouraged to help the group make financial gains on flurries of media interest. In February, finalists received a list of “tips and tricks” for dealing with press requests, which included this: “If you are offered payment for an interview then feel free to accept it. We do kindly ask for you to donate 75% of your profit to Mars One.”

The result, said Roche, is that high-profile prospects — including those in a list of “Top 10 hopefuls” published last month in The Guardian — are, in fact, simply the people who have generated the most money for Mars One. A spokeswoman confirmed by email that the positions were “based on the supporter points that our community can earn,” but said that “this number of points is unrelated to our selection process.”

As Roche also told me, that secretive selection process is hopelessly, and dangerously, flawed.

“I have not met anyone from Mars One in person,” he said. “Initially they’d said there were going to be regional interviews… we would travel there, we’d be interviewed, we’d be tested over several days, and in my mind that sounded at least like something that approached a legitimate astronaut selection process.

“But then they made us sign a non-disclosure agreement if we wanted to be interviewed, and then all of a sudden it changed from being a proper regional interview over several days to being a 10-minute Skype call.”

Mars One’s selection process to date has required candidates to complete a questionnaire, upload a video to the project’s website, and get a medical examination with each candidate’s local doctor (which they had to arrange themselves). Roche said he then had a short Skype conversation with Mars One’s chief medical officer, Norbert Kraft, during which he was quizzed with questions from literature about Mars and the mission that Mars One had provided to all the applicants. No rigorous psychological or psychometric testing was part of the appraisal. Candidates were given a month to rote-learn the material before the interview.

Mars One’s testing methods fall well short of NASA’s stringent astronaut corps requirements — not least in the case of anyone who would be training to be the mission commander, the individual who would actually pilot a theoretical craft to Mars. Commanders at NASA are required to have logged 1,000 jet aircraft flight hours to even be considered as training candidates for spaceflight.

Applicants were told they did not have permission to record the interview or to take any notes. Today, Roche said, he has still never had an in-person meeting with anyone associated with Mars One, and he is not aware that any candidate has ever been interviewed in person to assess their suitability to be sent one-way, forever, on a deep-space mission.

“That means all the info they have collected on me is a crap video I made, an application form that I filled out with mostly one-word answers… and then a 10-minute Skype interview,” Roche said. “That is just not enough info to make a judgment on someone about anything.”

Many other problems with the project were explored in depth in the Matter story I wrote in November. Nearly all of them — such as the small pool of applicants — continue to be ignored by the media.

But some cracks are emerging now. Reports emerged that the contract with the TV production company Endemol — which Mars One claimed could bring in up to $6 billion in revenue — was no longer in place and that the companies had gone their separate ways. And last month the Nobel laureate and theoretical physicist Gerard ’t Hooft — previously listed as an “advisor” to the project — put a realistic timeframe for a crewed mission to Mars at 100 years from now, not 10.

The organization did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

So, here are the facts as we understand them: Mars One has almost no money. Mars One has no contracts with private aerospace suppliers who are building technology for future deep-space missions. Mars One has no TV production partner. Mars One has no publicly known investment partnerships with major brands. Mars One has no plans for a training facility where its candidates would prepare themselves. Mars One’s candidates have been vetted by a single person, in a 10-minute Skype interview.

“My nightmare about it is that people continue to support it and give it money and attention, and it then gets to the point where it inevitably falls on its face,” said Roche. If, as a result, “people lose faith in NASA and possibly even in scientists, then that’s the polar opposite of what I’m about. If I was somehow linked to something that could do damage to the public perception of science, that is my nightmare scenario.”
 
Yes, it looked like a gimmick from day one.

There was not a single chance it wasn't a scam. Not even a small chance.

Not even SpaceX, given it's current funding raised, can get there. Let alone random joe soap company funded by the big brother company
 
idea was very noble; but I still think anything that involves space travel is a scam, like that AXE apollo space-mission

unfortunately for us; space travel is expensive,dangerous, and not at all common like flying in a plane;

hope people start realizing this; and stop falling for scams like this;
 
Lol of course its a scam and i actually questioned mybroadband a few times as to why they were promoting this nonsense with their news articles. The reddit ama from a year ago was revealing

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1tw2fy/i_am_bas_lansdorp_cofounder_of_marsone_mankind

the idea is very nice; and sooner or later its bound to happen; but not in this way;
by scamming people and fairy tales or space travel when the furthest mans gone is the moon (allegedly)

I definitely do believe that space travel will become cheap and that we will eventually leave earth; but not in our lifetimes its gonna happen;
 
Just the thought of how much money it would need to get this going and maintain it would have given it away. I have never bought into this and actually find it funny people did. Can you try and wrap your head around the finances needed to fund such a thing? The amount of trips needed to feed these people and get them supplies. The time to get to mars varies from 150 - 300 days. So get supplies to them on a 3 monthly bases they would need 4 rockets just to feed them for a year. That is 5 rockets just for the first year.

Come on people :D
 
I actually signed up to be a candidate for Mars One when I first heard of it... but when they sent an e-mail and wanted $100, My interest quickly stopped :p
Glad I wasn't pulled in!
 
idea was very noble; but I still think anything that involves space travel is a scam, like that AXE apollo space-mission

unfortunately for us; space travel is expensive,dangerous, and not at all common like flying in a plane;

hope people start realizing this; and stop falling for scams like this;
Only a 100 years ago this was true for flying in a plane. Sure MarsOne may turn out to be the scam of the century, but that's no reason to stop learning and discovering
 
The result, said Roche, is that high-profile prospects — including those in a list of “Top 10 hopefuls” published last month in The Guardian — are, in fact, simply the people who have generated the most money for Mars One.

Anyone asked any of the SA finalsists what they did to generate money for Mars One?
 
Only a 100 years ago this was true for flying in a plane. Sure MarsOne may turn out to be the scam of the century, but that's no reason to stop learning and discovering

my point exactly;

its gonna be common; theres gold and minerals out there; much much more than on earth;
and eventually something gonna effect 90% of the world population; or earth will be too polluted;

and then it will become colonists or perish,

somehow I dont see earth total population getting to the 20 billion souls.......
only 8 billion now;
 
I actually signed up to be a candidate for Mars One when I first heard of it... but when they sent an e-mail and wanted $100, My interest quickly stopped :p
Glad I wasn't pulled in!

Did the mail say the Prince of Nigeria died, leaving you as the sole heir to TEN MILLION UNITED KINGDOM DOLLARS, and all you had to do was send them some money first? Because that's the only way it could be any more scammy.
 
The concept was viable, and it was bound to make for good television, even if later on finances proved too little to fly.
My overall reaction was 'meh, maybe they pull it off.' But now it sounds like a brilliant scam. Getting there and surviving is just technology. But the money was the bit that had me worried.
 
The concept was viable, and it was bound to make for good television, even if later on finances proved too little to fly.
My overall reaction was 'meh, maybe they pull it off.' But now it sounds like a brilliant scam. Getting there and surviving is just technology. But the money was the bit that had me worried.

The concept was never really there, that's the problem. It's a year before the first probe is supposed to launch and they have jack shiit. No prototype, not even a design or a description. This is the age of the Internet and every single thought is immediately posted on Twitface or Youboob. We know exactly what will happen in the tiniest detail on a movie set, but for the single biggest undertaking in the history of mankind, there's exactly zip to show. It's been incredibly vague since the start. For a manned mission to Mars, you'd need a pretty damn good idea of what you want to do AT LEAST 10 years before launch with only minor details to sort out.

They don't know what they want from the candidates, that's why they have short Skype interviews where they ask almost-irrelevant questions. They don't know what the ship will look like, how it will work or even IF it will work.

NASA got much, much closer to a manned mission to Mars, they at least did some realistic projections on cost and time needed, as well as propulsion systems. And it's a LOT more than $6bn. We can't even build e-tollie gantries for that.

They pulled a Sarkeesian, otherwise known as a Molyneux:

1. Get people riled up
2. Start Kickstarter campaign to gib moni pl0x
3. Make a few, very cheap token offers to pretend you're actually doing something.
4. Profit!!
5. Take profits and retire to the Bahamas.
 
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