Martial Arts

noxibox said:
Like if for instance he got involved in an argument at the top of some stairs and decided to throw his opponent? Or accidentally cracks open another child's skull when he throws him down on the playground?
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Oh please! That’s no argument. The same risks are run with a scuffle without judo. Judo has absolutely nothing to do with this.

You strike full-out with karate.
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Nonsense.
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Under stress you revert to instinct. There is a perception that under stress (life & death) karate exponents will pull their strikes as they have always done in the dojo.

This is true. In later life, judo training (even non-violent) will stand you in good stead.
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So will any number of other martial arts.
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Judo is particularly good at this. I have fallen frequently where fall training has saved me from harm and enabled me to continue quickly. This is in addition to the existential ‘spiritual’ stuff which all m. arts propagate.
 
Jonny Two Shoes said:
I was always of the opinion that a very effective fighter would never allow a fight to go to ground. For instance - might sound silly but - would you ever imagine Bruce Lee grappling? And I certainly wouldn't want to try approach and grapple someone who is lightning fast and accurate and who is hell bent on killing me if I got near.

But admittedly I could be wrong, I mean most UFC fights go to ground and people all over reckon those guys know what they are doing so I dunno :/ I often see a replay of a grapple attempt in slow mo where a serious knee to the person charging in is possible but the opportunity hardly ever seen by the defender.

To the OP - Two major forms exist as far as I know. Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Karate and Judo is Japanase. Japanese Karate afaik is mainly straight lines and lots of striking and hardening of the body. Chinese afaik tend to believe more in circular motion in their techniques. Then of course there are lots of other forms of MA like Jiu Jitsu and Capoeira and Kick Boxing etc...

The Japanese is where the belts come from - brown belt, black belt etc...

My ideal form of MA I would like to do personally is Aikido - a very passive aggressive style and as mentioned earlier uses an opponents energy and motion against them. Steven Segal does aikido :) when I am finished exams I am going for Aikido if there is anything nearby.

However I believe anything Shaolin is the most dangerous to be faced against. For a kid I don't think it would be suitable.
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The best way to tak out your opponent if he has a martial arts back ground is to take him to ground. He's trained to fight at distance, n the ground they are nothing short of useless. That is why Good fighters will take their opponent to the ground and then clubber him. You don't know what fighting experience your opponet has so take him to ground. You will get the shyt kicked out of you only if he is a wrestler. So the odds would be minimal on the ground that you will be punded if you can fight on the ground.

noxibox said:
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Like if for instance he got involved in an argument at the top of some stairs and decided to throw his opponent? Or accidentally cracks open another child's skull when he throws him down on the playground?
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I have never seen a martial art that teaches their learners to strike first. They teach it a a self defence only. The post above will not happened unless he was at risk of falling down the stairs himself in a fight.

I do however fully belive that the secret to winning a fight is to strike first when in a situation that seems to have only one outcome and that is a fight. But no art will ever teach you to strike first.
 
Pitbull said:
The best way to tak out your opponent if he has a martial arts back ground is to take him to ground. He's trained to fight at distance, n the ground they are nothing short of useless. That is why Good fighters will take their opponent to the ground and then clubber him. You don't know what fighting experience your opponet has so take him to ground. You will get the shyt kicked out of you only if he is a wrestler. So the odds would be minimal on the ground that you will be punded if you can fight on the ground.
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Makes sense. The only exception being if he were a heavyweight. I'm around 80KG and hardly a heavyweight so would be inclined not to go to ground against a heavier opponent as this would surely put me at disadvantage which is why the heavier fighter usually wins. Then again "bones break with the same force" don't they :) Once again I am not sure which is best :/ for a kid the bully type would also be the heavyweight and I don't see it going the way of the little dude if he wrestles to the ground.

I'm also thinking later on in life you will be more concerned with bar fights and being mugged in the street, both of which you need to neutralise very quickly if cooperation is not an option. I don't know if going to ground would be the best option?

Organised fights and one where you know you are faced with a prepared fighter - perhaps then it would be best to know your grappling?
 
Jonny Two Shoes said:
Makes sense. The only exception being if he were a heavyweight. I'm around 80KG and hardly a heavyweight so would be inclined not to go to ground against a heavier opponent as this would surely put me at disadvantage which is why the heavier fighter usually wins. Then again "bones break with the same force" don't they :) Once again I am not sure which is best :/ for a kid the bully type would also be the heavyweight and I don't see it going the way of the little dude if he wrestles to the ground.

I'm also thinking later on in life you will be more concerned with bar fights and being mugged in the street, both of which you need to neutralise very quickly if cooperation is not an option. I don't know if going to ground would be the best option?

Organised fights and one where you know you are faced with a prepared fighter - perhaps then it would be best to know your grappling?
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If he's a pretty big guy, knock him with a pipe and run :D

I do get what you are saying ;) Thing with big guys are they hit VERY HARD, but they are slow as snails with their punches. It's actually up to you to judge the best course of action. I prefer going to ground but that leaves your back open when in a struggle and if there is more than one person you could get into trouble if you go to ground.

It's all situasional, but the reason MMA guys go to ground is because of the Martial arts training. They fight people who could knock you out with one kick at distance so if they go to ground it's all about punches and wrestling.
 
Jonny Two Shoes said:
Makes sense. The only exception being if he were a heavyweight. I'm around 80KG and hardly a heavyweight so would be inclined not to go to ground against a heavier opponent as this would surely put me at disadvantage which is why the heavier fighter usually wins. Then again "bones break with the same force" don't they :) Once again I am not sure which is best :/ for a kid the bully type would also be the heavyweight and I don't see it going the way of the little dude if he wrestles to the ground.

I'm also thinking later on in life you will be more concerned with bar fights and being mugged in the street, both of which you need to neutralise very quickly if cooperation is not an option. I don't know if going to ground would be the best option?

Organised fights and one where you know you are faced with a prepared fighter - perhaps then it would be best to know your grappling?
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I agree with you on the concerns (bar fights/mugged), in either situation i would avoid going to ground at any and all costs, it sounds cowardice, but I would try get a strike and leave as fast as possible....

another note i have experienced,
I have only done 2 styles, and when sparring in both of them, i struggle to take the guys down to ground without them doing something really nasty to me before we get there....to be fair, I am pretty sure someone experienced in grappling etc would prob do a better job of it than me, but there are very few times I can think of where I have gone to ground and not thought, thank hell this is only sparring...
 
Jonny Two Shoes said:
...for a kid the bully type would also be the heavyweight and I don't see it going the way of the little dude if he wrestles to the ground.
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Speed trumps strength every time (provided you don’t get hit). Attitude is extremely important for a kid subject to bullying (I speak from boarding school experience). The important thing is to make yourself an awkward and difficult target (so that others are picked-upon). I accomplished this by continually forcing the bully having to wrestle me on the ground to ‘discipline’ me. His white shirt got dirty, he picked-up flak (and sometimes detention) from the teacher etc. Of course, I got beaten-up but it only takes a couple of efforts before you are catagorised as an awkward target that won’t be easily bullied. Alternatively, you can be picked-upon for your entire school career and still get beaten-up (a lot more often). “Plenty of other targets to terrorise, Palimino is just awkward and won’t co-operate.”
 
tau1z said:
I agree with you on the concerns (bar fights/mugged), in either situation i would avoid going to ground at any and all costs, it sounds cowardice, but I would try get a strike and leave as fast as possible....

another note i have experienced,
I have only done 2 styles, and when sparring in both of them, i struggle to take the guys down to ground without them doing something really nasty to me before we get there....to be fair, I am pretty sure someone experienced in grappling etc would prob do a better job of it than me, but there are very few times I can think of where I have gone to ground and not thought, thank hell this is only sparring...
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Ye. Just to mention I got a tonne of PDF's and copies of manuals etc... from a friend of a friend. Anything ranging from WW2 fighting techniques to some modern stuff, lol I think I even have one or two ancient styles for like the greeks or something haha. Also those things Bruce Lee wrote and some to do with Gong Fu and the little bit on JKK and what not.

A lot of the manuals are good. Some are utter rubbish. But then there is one or two that I briefly looked at and said to myself OMG!. Really really sick what they try and teach you wouldn't believe how violent and seemingly simple they are. Point being some care should be taken in what some people might teach the little ones. I would advise to watch over them for a few classes with the instructor :) even though I doubt they would take it to any extreme at all you should at least be comfortable with it.
 
I'f you'd like to beat any opponent quick quick I suggest you listen to Marilyn Manson and Get Your Gun.
 
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